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From: Peter Zijlstra <peterz@infradead.org>
Subject: Re: KVM usability
Date: Tue, 02 Mar 2010 11:11:06 +0100
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On Mon, 2010-03-01 at 09:14 -0600, Anthony Liguori wrote:
> The real 
> question to ask is, why are you using qemu directly instead of using 
> virt-manager? 

Because I suspect Ingo, like me, is a command line user, launching a gui
to start kvm when there is a kvm command around just sounds daft.

Also, I just installed and tried it, virt-manager is a total piece of
shit, I wouldn't even know how to begin telling it how to start my
freshly baked kernel with serial console on stdio and some block image I
just created from the gentoo stage3 tarball.

That is, after 5 minutes clicking I have no idea how to even launch an
ISO with the thing, I prefer reading the kvm manpage over using some
mouse only gui crap like that.