From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from smtp1.linuxfoundation.org (smtp1.linux-foundation.org [172.17.192.35]) by mail.linuxfoundation.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 60C67BBE for ; Wed, 19 Apr 2017 16:25:09 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mx1.redhat.com (mx1.redhat.com [209.132.183.28]) by smtp1.linuxfoundation.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4C19F144 for ; Wed, 19 Apr 2017 16:25:08 +0000 (UTC) To: Linus Torvalds References: From: Doug Ledford Message-ID: <1269d256-d6ec-dc9c-c1ec-551d389e9be2@redhat.com> Date: Wed, 19 Apr 2017 12:24:51 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha256; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="EDPuNpWFLPOwHhlX97iSRPtkja1lLGUAx" Cc: ksummit , Greg Kroah-Hartman , Ingo Molnar , Dave Airlie , David Miller Subject: Re: [Ksummit-discuss] "Maintainer summit" invitation discussion List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , This is an OpenPGP/MIME signed message (RFC 4880 and 3156) --EDPuNpWFLPOwHhlX97iSRPtkja1lLGUAx Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="dMJRwTTVOVELwejbvrNfKVlLE8LdhdKKX"; protected-headers="v1" From: Doug Ledford To: Linus Torvalds Cc: Takashi Iwai , ksummit , David Miller , Greg Kroah-Hartman , Dave Airlie , Ingo Molnar , Mauro Carvalho Chehab , Arnd Bergmann , Andrew Morton , Michael Ellerman Message-ID: <1269d256-d6ec-dc9c-c1ec-551d389e9be2@redhat.com> Subject: Re: "Maintainer summit" invitation discussion References: In-Reply-To: --dMJRwTTVOVELwejbvrNfKVlLE8LdhdKKX Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On 4/19/2017 12:18 PM, Linus Torvalds wrote: > On Wed, Apr 19, 2017 at 8:37 AM, Doug Ledford wro= te: >> On 4/18/2017 4:13 PM, Linus Torvalds wrote: >>> >>> I'm not sure who those people actually are, but I suspect this list >>> contains people who can point to each tech lead.. I think it's Laura >>> Abbott for Fedora, for example? >> >> There really is no pain point for Fedora. They take a very simple >> approach: in rawhide, they pull latest git once you hit the -rc cycles= >> and build it, otherwise it's the latest released kernel; in actual >> releases, they pull stable tree point releases as they are released (n= ot >> long term stable, they upgrade to a new stable tree fairly regularly).= >> They really don't do much in the way of having to integrate changes in= to >> their kernel (intentionally), it's just a constant rolling update game= >> using newer and newer tarballs. So, the pain is not in Fedora, it's i= n >> RHEL. What we do there is so totally different from Fedora and hurts = so >> bad as a developer...but I don't know if you really care to even talk >> about that at the summit since, to be fair, it's largely a consequence= >> of our business model. >=20 > Yeah, I don't think we can do much about distros that intentionally > want to stay behind and backport. Admittedly Android seems to be very > much in that camp too, but I'd at least want to talk to them more. > RHEL I feel knows what it's doing and isn't causing the kinds of > issues Android is anyway. >=20 > That said, even with Fedora I think Laura was at the KS last year, and > did talk about what she sees as the stable kernel process. So Fedora > may not be a "painpoint", but may well be relevant for the "meet with > people and talk about process issues once a year". Entirely true. And I probably shouldn't have said there is no pain point for Fedora, because I shouldn't have put words in her mouth anyway. I would *expect* there is no pain point given their model (and I've not seen the internal email discussions we see around our RHEL kernels), but I can't speak beyond that. --=20 Doug Ledford GPG Key ID: B826A3330E572FDD Key fingerprint =3D AE6B 1BDA 122B 23B4 265B 1274 B826 A333 0E57 2FD= D --dMJRwTTVOVELwejbvrNfKVlLE8LdhdKKX-- --EDPuNpWFLPOwHhlX97iSRPtkja1lLGUAx Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" Content-Description: OpenPGP digital signature Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="signature.asc" -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2 Comment: Using GnuPG with Thunderbird - http://www.enigmail.net/ iQIcBAEBCAAGBQJY949TAAoJELgmozMOVy/dBWEP/3C9jqh8OtCpUm0KUYFVrCB3 RVeM2dYZ81j/vkwwcGJ8g/T2xJRjEPoMMQX3+qnEVZhEi0qtSmT6BHiJz88rOOoK COWMQCzhbTaVqIi1GTbH5i/3bcoNjCAAY80atyOgNYhELjOYwUIpTmvGTRWrYx1Z wGgv/s+rDnuHCJS4vDncFAA1iNa2LGG1+IXjtW5kt7hS7yahmNbVDA90KzM7Pthi gkHR53j/SxxUTNhv75PnENEERclN+amMzDOJzD5UgZ+vHOvMBceZ1s1CSo0CK9Au 2kUDsOEaAYz2oNpTb+FauDI9Yn74aZqvnh3Tvwlz7BLxJi4vh70Q/p+DUyr2XeZM XqKOR5noKOtsw5SO2kIouhyoYCz2GD6FuiYo1AAXJNqBBsQaALbcJdtBsjUmx7Rh 6lUrj1Jm/T/P1LsrjCObRd+Pp9dN2bqO7XjSP6GE4EinjA6s2VM+dq19OmhbjpXm SmDwcJG0zFLXzt0Mrkk0s54cXwsEb+L7+JKc9d0pDPvqtdinuYc1KqkfLar2xTMs aDWg2AyMfbbhefTmM/5ch5/O4eOszfgYCvDS672XIff+DRayGp5p8lCwssa/cJo/ RHJoyvFtltSw36OOzKI9EiVWtWIDsu/yFXFRzJdLGdCLRfHBQZr2zyLl/Ij65hOn VL9puT2GSdfc2Imf+MoK =8Mck -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --EDPuNpWFLPOwHhlX97iSRPtkja1lLGUAx--