From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org via listexpand id S1752548Ab0DFOJS (ORCPT ); Tue, 6 Apr 2010 10:09:18 -0400 Received: from bombadil.infradead.org ([18.85.46.34]:37094 "EHLO bombadil.infradead.org" rhost-flags-OK-OK-OK-OK) by vger.kernel.org with ESMTP id S1751269Ab0DFOJN (ORCPT ); Tue, 6 Apr 2010 10:09:13 -0400 Subject: Re: [PATCH V2 0/6][RFC] futex: FUTEX_LOCK with optional adaptive spinning From: Peter Zijlstra To: Avi Kivity Cc: Darren Hart , linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, Thomas Gleixner , Ingo Molnar , Eric Dumazet , "Peter W. Morreale" , Rik van Riel , Steven Rostedt , Gregory Haskins , Sven-Thorsten Dietrich , Chris Mason , John Cooper , Chris Wright In-Reply-To: <4BBB3A15.6020502@redhat.com> References: <1270499039-23728-1-git-send-email-dvhltc@us.ibm.com> <4BBA5305.7010002@redhat.com> <4BBA5C00.4090703@us.ibm.com> <4BBA6279.20802@redhat.com> <4BBA6B6F.7040201@us.ibm.com> <4BBB36FA.4020008@redhat.com> <1270560931.1595.342.camel@laptop> <4BBB3A15.6020502@redhat.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Date: Tue, 06 Apr 2010 16:09:08 +0200 Message-ID: <1270562948.1595.442.camel@laptop> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.28.3 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: linux-kernel-owner@vger.kernel.org List-ID: X-Mailing-List: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org On Tue, 2010-04-06 at 16:41 +0300, Avi Kivity wrote: > On 04/06/2010 04:35 PM, Peter Zijlstra wrote: > > On Tue, 2010-04-06 at 16:28 +0300, Avi Kivity wrote: > > > >> Yes, but that's the best case for spinning. You could simply use a > >> userspace spinlock in this case. > >> > > Userspace spinlocks are evil.. they should _never_ be used. > > > > But in this case they're fastest. If we don't provide a non-evil > alternative, people will use them. > That's what FUTEX_LOCK is about.