From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org via listexpand id S1751431Ab3GREPd (ORCPT ); Thu, 18 Jul 2013 00:15:33 -0400 Received: from mx3-phx2.redhat.com ([209.132.183.24]:47401 "EHLO mx3-phx2.redhat.com" rhost-flags-OK-OK-OK-OK) by vger.kernel.org with ESMTP id S1750996Ab3GREPc (ORCPT ); Thu, 18 Jul 2013 00:15:32 -0400 Date: Thu, 18 Jul 2013 00:15:20 -0400 (EDT) From: CAI Qian To: Steven Rostedt Cc: Thomas Gleixner , Sarah Sharp , Linus Torvalds , Ingo Molnar , Guenter Roeck , Greg Kroah-Hartman , Dave Jones , Linux Kernel Mailing List , Andrew Morton , stable , Darren Hart Message-ID: <1284970293.2435135.1374120920092.JavaMail.root@redhat.com> In-Reply-To: <1374119254.6458.220.camel@gandalf.local.home> References: <20130715155202.GC29526@xanatos> <20130715184642.GE15531@xanatos> <20130715195316.GF15531@xanatos> <1368728064.2419741.1374117402465.JavaMail.root@redhat.com> <1374119254.6458.220.camel@gandalf.local.home> Subject: Re: [ 00/19] 3.10.1-stable review MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Originating-IP: [10.5.82.12] X-Mailer: Zimbra 8.0.3_GA_5664 (ZimbraWebClient - FF20 (Linux)/8.0.3_GA_5664) Thread-Topic: 3.10.1-stable review Thread-Index: cRY+riRnsni7BGoKQXG+EOVA0/Mlhg== Sender: linux-kernel-owner@vger.kernel.org List-ID: X-Mailing-List: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Steven Rostedt" > To: "CAI Qian" > Cc: "Thomas Gleixner" , "Sarah Sharp" , "Linus Torvalds" > , "Ingo Molnar" , "Guenter Roeck" , "Greg > Kroah-Hartman" , "Dave Jones" , "Linux Kernel Mailing List" > , "Andrew Morton" , "stable" , > "Darren Hart" > Sent: Thursday, July 18, 2013 11:47:34 AM > Subject: Re: [ 00/19] 3.10.1-stable review > > On Wed, 2013-07-17 at 23:16 -0400, CAI Qian wrote: > > > > So if you talk about abuse, then you need an abuser and a victim. So > > > your argumentation falls flat because there is no victim. > > Could victim be someone else in the future since it is an example that > > people may follow? > > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Silvio_Berlusconi_underage_prostitution_charges > > It called "abuse of office" or abuse of the power. > > Wow! You are now comparing Linus to a Prime Minister that has paid > underage prostitutes for sex? > > That's pretty low. > > What Linus does is not an abuse of power, it's a protection of his baby. > He created Linux, and although today he's not the one writing the code, > he is ultimately the front man responsible for the kernel. Surely Linus has great responsibility, but isn't that every powerful person/organizatio could tell the same story? Berlusconi has a country to take care of; Jimmy Savile has a television kingdom to manage; NSA needs to protect world peace etc. > > Think about it. If Linux does something horrible, Linus is the one that > takes the most blame. That's a HUGE responsibility. Linus has the most > to lose if Linux becomes crap. > > Not only does Linus have to check on code, he must also dictate policy. > Which means dealing with different people, and how they work. If someone > gets lazy and uses his trust to get something whacky in, Linus takes the > blame for it if that happens. Thus, to prevent people from taking > advantage of his trust, he has to be hard on them to make sure he can > keep their trust. > > Linus takes his job seriously. He may joke and name his kernel after > 90's operating systems, but that's just to make the job more fun. But to > keep the job, he needs to be a hard ass. > > The few times he's yelled at me, he always did it with a bit of comedy > and wit. That makes the harsh yelling not so bad, and I actually got a > chuckle out of it. But I also took the harsh yelling in a way that I had > better not do that again. > > This is the big leagues folks. You think major league baseball managers > are nice to their players? > > "You just walked 4 players. That's not good. Keep this up I'll have to > take you out off the team". > > vs > > "What the f*ck is wrong with you. Get you head out of your @ss and start > throwing the ball over the God damn plate before I throw your @ss out of > this field!" > > They both relay basically the same thing. The first one is nice and > polite but states that bad things will happen if they keep it up. The > second is quite harsh (although never calling the person a name), and > will probably wake the person up and change his game. Which one of those > tones do you think successful baseball managers use? > > Sometimes tone *does* matter. You want quality from the top maintainers, > and they start to slack, you can't just treat them like this is a grade > school sport. Results matter. You want them to understand that this is > serious and cursing someone out gives that person that feeling. > > -- Steve > > > -- > To unsubscribe from this list: send the line "unsubscribe stable" in > the body of a message to majordomo@vger.kernel.org > More majordomo info at http://vger.kernel.org/majordomo-info.html >