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From: Benjamin Herrenschmidt <benh@kernel.crashing.org>
To: Shan Hai <haishan.bai@gmail.com>
Cc: David Laight <David.Laight@ACULAB.COM>,
	Peter Zijlstra <a.p.zijlstra@chello.nl>,
	tony.luck@intel.com, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org,
	cmetcalf@tilera.com, dhowells@redhat.com, paulus@samba.org,
	tglx@linutronix.de, walken@google.com,
	linuxppc-dev@lists.ozlabs.org, akpm@linux-foundation.org
Subject: Re: [PATCH 0/1] Fixup write permission of TLB on powerpc e500 core
Date: Sat, 16 Jul 2011 10:20:49 +1000	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <1310775649.25044.5.camel@pasglop> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <4E205D96.7010109@gmail.com>

On Fri, 2011-07-15 at 11:32 -0400, Shan Hai wrote:
> 
> I agree with you, the problem could be triggered by accessing
> any user space page which has kernel read only permission
> in the page fault disabled context, the problem also affects
> architectures which depend on SW dirty/young tracking as
> stated by Benjamin in this thread.
> 
> In the e500 case, the commit 6cfd8990e27d3a491c1c605d6cbc18a46ae51fef
> removed the write permission fixup from TLB miss handlers and left it to
> generic code, so it might be right time to fixup the write permission here
> in the generic code.

But we can't. The must not modify the PTE from an interrupt context and
the "atomic" variants of user accesses can be called in such contexts.

I think the problem is that we try to actually do things other than just
"peek" at user memory (for backtraces etc...) but actually useful things
in page fault disabled contexts. That's bad and various archs mm were
designed with the assumption that this never happens.

If the futex case is seldom here, we could probably find a way to work
around in that specific case.

However, I -still- don't understand why gup didn't fixup the write
permission. gup doesn't set dirty ?

Cheers,
Ben.



WARNING: multiple messages have this Message-ID (diff)
From: Benjamin Herrenschmidt <benh@kernel.crashing.org>
To: Shan Hai <haishan.bai@gmail.com>
Cc: tony.luck@intel.com, Peter Zijlstra <a.p.zijlstra@chello.nl>,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, cmetcalf@tilera.com,
	dhowells@redhat.com, David Laight <David.Laight@ACULAB.COM>,
	paulus@samba.org, tglx@linutronix.de, walken@google.com,
	linuxppc-dev@lists.ozlabs.org, akpm@linux-foundation.org
Subject: Re: [PATCH 0/1] Fixup write permission of TLB on powerpc e500 core
Date: Sat, 16 Jul 2011 10:20:49 +1000	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <1310775649.25044.5.camel@pasglop> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <4E205D96.7010109@gmail.com>

On Fri, 2011-07-15 at 11:32 -0400, Shan Hai wrote:
> 
> I agree with you, the problem could be triggered by accessing
> any user space page which has kernel read only permission
> in the page fault disabled context, the problem also affects
> architectures which depend on SW dirty/young tracking as
> stated by Benjamin in this thread.
> 
> In the e500 case, the commit 6cfd8990e27d3a491c1c605d6cbc18a46ae51fef
> removed the write permission fixup from TLB miss handlers and left it to
> generic code, so it might be right time to fixup the write permission here
> in the generic code.

But we can't. The must not modify the PTE from an interrupt context and
the "atomic" variants of user accesses can be called in such contexts.

I think the problem is that we try to actually do things other than just
"peek" at user memory (for backtraces etc...) but actually useful things
in page fault disabled contexts. That's bad and various archs mm were
designed with the assumption that this never happens.

If the futex case is seldom here, we could probably find a way to work
around in that specific case.

However, I -still- don't understand why gup didn't fixup the write
permission. gup doesn't set dirty ?

Cheers,
Ben.

  reply	other threads:[~2011-07-16  0:21 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 138+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2011-07-15  8:07 [PATCH 0/1] Fixup write permission of TLB on powerpc e500 core Shan Hai
2011-07-15  8:07 ` Shan Hai
2011-07-15  8:07 ` [PATCH 1/1] " Shan Hai
2011-07-15  8:07   ` Shan Hai
2011-07-15 10:23   ` Peter Zijlstra
2011-07-15 10:23     ` Peter Zijlstra
2011-07-15 15:18     ` Shan Hai
2011-07-15 15:18       ` Shan Hai
2011-07-15 15:24       ` Peter Zijlstra
2011-07-15 15:24         ` Peter Zijlstra
2011-07-16 15:36         ` Shan Hai
2011-07-16 15:36           ` Shan Hai
2011-07-16 14:50     ` Shan Hai
2011-07-16 14:50       ` Shan Hai
2011-07-16 23:49       ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2011-07-16 23:49         ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2011-07-17  9:38         ` Peter Zijlstra
2011-07-17  9:38           ` Peter Zijlstra
2011-07-17 14:29           ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2011-07-17 14:29             ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2011-07-17 23:14             ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2011-07-17 23:14               ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2011-07-18  3:53               ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2011-07-18  3:53                 ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2011-07-18  4:02                 ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2011-07-18  4:02                   ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2011-07-18  4:01               ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2011-07-18  4:01                 ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2011-07-18  6:48                 ` Shan Hai
2011-07-18  6:48                   ` Shan Hai
2011-07-18  7:01                   ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2011-07-18  7:01                     ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2011-07-18  7:26                     ` Shan Hai
2011-07-18  7:26                       ` Shan Hai
2011-07-18  7:36                       ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2011-07-18  7:36                         ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2011-07-18  7:50                         ` Shan Hai
2011-07-18  7:50                           ` Shan Hai
2011-07-19  3:30                         ` Shan Hai
2011-07-19  3:30                           ` Shan Hai
2011-07-19  4:20                           ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2011-07-19  4:20                             ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2011-07-19  4:29                           ` [RFC/PATCH] mm/futex: Fix futex writes on archs with SW tracking of dirty & young Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2011-07-19  4:29                             ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2011-07-19  4:55                             ` Shan Hai
2011-07-19  4:55                               ` Shan Hai
2011-07-19  5:17                             ` Shan Hai
2011-07-19  5:17                               ` Shan Hai
2011-07-19  5:24                               ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2011-07-19  5:24                                 ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2011-07-19  5:38                                 ` Shan Hai
2011-07-19  5:38                                   ` Shan Hai
2011-07-19  7:46                                   ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2011-07-19  7:46                                     ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2011-07-19  8:24                                     ` Shan Hai
2011-07-19  8:24                                       ` Shan Hai
2011-07-19  8:26                                       ` [RFC/PATCH] mm/futex: Fix futex writes on archs with SW trackingof " David Laight
2011-07-19  8:26                                         ` David Laight
2011-07-19  8:45                                         ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2011-07-19  8:45                                           ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2011-07-19  8:45                                         ` Shan Hai
2011-07-19  8:45                                           ` Shan Hai
2011-07-19 11:10                             ` [RFC/PATCH] mm/futex: Fix futex writes on archs with SW tracking of " Peter Zijlstra
2011-07-19 11:10                               ` Peter Zijlstra
2011-07-20 14:39                             ` Darren Hart
2011-07-20 14:39                               ` Darren Hart
2011-07-21 22:36                             ` Andrew Morton
2011-07-21 22:36                               ` Andrew Morton
2011-07-21 22:52                               ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2011-07-21 22:52                                 ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2011-07-21 22:57                                 ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2011-07-21 22:57                                   ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2011-07-21 22:59                                 ` Andrew Morton
2011-07-21 22:59                                   ` Andrew Morton
2011-07-22  1:40                                   ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2011-07-22  1:40                                     ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2011-07-22  1:54                                   ` Shan Hai
2011-07-22  1:54                                     ` Shan Hai
2011-07-27  6:50                             ` Mike Frysinger
2011-07-27  6:50                               ` Mike Frysinger
2011-07-27  7:58                               ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2011-07-27  7:58                                 ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2011-07-27  8:59                                 ` Peter Zijlstra
2011-07-27  8:59                                   ` Peter Zijlstra
2011-07-27 10:09                                 ` David Howells
2011-07-27 10:09                                   ` David Howells
2011-07-27 10:17                                   ` Peter Zijlstra
2011-07-27 10:17                                     ` Peter Zijlstra
2011-07-27 10:20                                     ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2011-07-27 10:20                                       ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2011-07-28  0:12                                       ` Mike Frysinger
2011-07-28  0:12                                         ` Mike Frysinger
2011-08-08  2:31                                     ` Mike Frysinger
2011-08-08  2:31                                       ` Mike Frysinger
2011-07-28 10:55                                   ` David Howells
2011-07-28 10:55                                     ` David Howells
2011-07-17 11:02         ` [PATCH 1/1] Fixup write permission of TLB on powerpc e500 core Peter Zijlstra
2011-07-17 11:02           ` Peter Zijlstra
2011-07-17 13:33           ` Shan Hai
2011-07-17 13:33             ` Shan Hai
2011-07-17 14:48             ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2011-07-17 14:48               ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2011-07-17 15:40               ` Shan Hai
2011-07-17 15:40                 ` Shan Hai
2011-07-17 22:34                 ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2011-07-17 22:34                   ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2011-07-17 14:34           ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2011-07-17 14:34             ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2011-07-15  8:20 ` [PATCH 0/1] " Peter Zijlstra
2011-07-15  8:20   ` Peter Zijlstra
2011-07-15  8:38   ` MailingLists
2011-07-15  8:38     ` MailingLists
2011-07-15  8:44     ` Peter Zijlstra
2011-07-15  8:44       ` Peter Zijlstra
2011-07-15  9:08       ` Shan Hai
2011-07-15  9:08         ` Shan Hai
2011-07-15  9:12         ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2011-07-15  9:12           ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2011-07-15  9:50         ` Peter Zijlstra
2011-07-15  9:50           ` Peter Zijlstra
2011-07-15 10:06           ` Shan Hai
2011-07-15 10:06             ` Shan Hai
2011-07-15 10:32             ` David Laight
2011-07-15 10:32               ` David Laight
2011-07-15 10:39               ` Peter Zijlstra
2011-07-15 10:39                 ` Peter Zijlstra
2011-07-15 15:32               ` Shan Hai
2011-07-15 15:32                 ` Shan Hai
2011-07-16  0:20                 ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt [this message]
2011-07-16  0:20                   ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2011-07-16 15:03                   ` Shan Hai
2011-07-16 15:03                     ` Shan Hai
2011-07-15 23:47               ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2011-07-15 23:47                 ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2011-07-15  9:07     ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2011-07-15  9:07       ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2011-07-15  9:05   ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2011-07-15  9:05     ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt

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