From: Ian Campbell <Ian.Campbell@citrix.com> To: Julien Grall <julien.grall@citrix.com> Cc: Julian Pidancet <julian.pidancet@citrix.com>, "xen-devel@lists.xensource.com" <xen-devel@lists.xensource.com>, "qemu-devel@nongnu.org" <qemu-devel@nongnu.org>, Stefano Stabellini <Stefano.Stabellini@eu.citrix.com> Subject: Re: [Qemu-devel] [Xen-devel] [XEN][RFC PATCH 12/15] xl: Add interface to handle multiple device models Date: Fri, 23 Mar 2012 13:55:59 +0000 [thread overview] Message-ID: <1332510959.30916.50.camel@zakaz.uk.xensource.com> (raw) In-Reply-To: <4F6C7554.5080706@citrix.com> On Fri, 2012-03-23 at 13:06 +0000, Julien Grall wrote: > >> diff --git a/tools/libxl/libxl_types.idl b/tools/libxl/libxl_types.idl > >> index 413a1a6..7e48817 100644 > >> --- a/tools/libxl/libxl_types.idl > >> +++ b/tools/libxl/libxl_types.idl > >> @@ -37,6 +37,7 @@ libxl_domain_type = Enumeration("domain_type", [ > >> libxl_device_model_version = Enumeration("device_model_version", [ > >> (1, "QEMU_XEN_TRADITIONAL"), # Historical qemu-xen device model (qemu-dm) > >> (2, "QEMU_XEN"), # Upstream based qemu-xen device model > >> + (3, "MULTIPLE_QEMU_XEN"), # Handle multiple dm > >> > > Isn't this implicit in the provision or otherwise of num_dms? > > > Sorry but I don't understand the question. What I mean is can't you tell that the user wants multiple qemus from the fact that domain_config.num_dms is non-zero (or >1, whichever it is)? > > What are name and path? I guess path is something to do with xenstore > > but isn't that also internal to the libxl<->dm interface not something > > the caller of libxl need be aware of? > > > The path is the binary path Are these supposed to supersede libxl_domain_build_info.device_model ? > and the name is just a string append to the log filename. This could be internal to libxl I expect. > > I'm not sure what syntax "pcis", "mmios" and "pios" are going to have > > but I expect that this would be better represent as actual > > datastructures rather than encoding it as a string. > > > > How are toolstack supposed to know the values for e.g. pcis? > > > For the moment pcis are describe as bdf for instance: 00:01.1 > and mmios/pios as range (0x10-0x20 or just 0x19). And how does the toolstack know what values to use? How does it decide that BDF 00:01.1 is something it wants to move into a different DM? > > All in all this seems like a very raw/low-level interface. Can libxl not > > expose something a bit more meaningful to toolstack authors? For example > > if we consider emulated disk controllers then perhaps the options are > > * Handled by the "primary" dm > > * Handled by a single disaggregated dm > > * Handled by multiple disaggregated dm's (one per disk controller) > > Similarly for other classes or emulated device. Or maybe this should be > > a flag on those actual devices (e.g. in libxl_device_FOO)? > > > > I have not really ideas about that. The first solution that comes > in my mind is to bind each device with the device model name. > > But in this case, we need to modify QEMU to launch only a subset > of hardware and find a way to said which QEMU will emulate the > "basic" hardware (keyboard, mouse, piix, ...). > Moreover, who will allocate the bdf ? The toolstack ? I don't know. It's (currently) not the toolstack AFAIK, I guess it is either the lower level libraries (libxl, libxc) or the device model itself. I think this needs figuring out before we can decide what a sensible libxl interface for for describing which device is emulated by which dm looks like. What I want to avoid is the situation where there is something deep in the bowels of Xen which defines (or even hardcodes) the property that BDF X:Y.Z corresponds the some device or other and then require that the upper level tool stack (or, worse, the user) then has to encode that magic knowledge as a string in the configuration. > >> + > >> # Instances of libxl_file_reference contained in this struct which > >> # have been mapped (with libxl_file_reference_map) will be unmapped > >> # by libxl_domain_build/restore. If either of these are never called > >> @@ -289,6 +299,7 @@ libxl_domain_build_info = Struct("domain_build_info",[ > >> ("usbdevice", string), > >> ("soundhw", string), > >> ("xen_platform_pci", libxl_defbool), > >> + ("max_servers", integer), > >> > > As a toolstack author how do I decide what number to use here? > > > The max_servers variables is used to compute the additionnal special pages. > So the max_servers indicates the maximum servers that we want to spawn. We already know this from num_dms, don't we? Ian.
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From: Ian Campbell <Ian.Campbell@citrix.com> To: Julien Grall <julien.grall@citrix.com> Cc: Julian Pidancet <julian.pidancet@citrix.com>, "xen-devel@lists.xensource.com" <xen-devel@lists.xensource.com>, "qemu-devel@nongnu.org" <qemu-devel@nongnu.org>, Stefano Stabellini <Stefano.Stabellini@eu.citrix.com> Subject: Re: [XEN][RFC PATCH 12/15] xl: Add interface to handle multiple device models Date: Fri, 23 Mar 2012 13:55:59 +0000 [thread overview] Message-ID: <1332510959.30916.50.camel@zakaz.uk.xensource.com> (raw) In-Reply-To: <4F6C7554.5080706@citrix.com> On Fri, 2012-03-23 at 13:06 +0000, Julien Grall wrote: > >> diff --git a/tools/libxl/libxl_types.idl b/tools/libxl/libxl_types.idl > >> index 413a1a6..7e48817 100644 > >> --- a/tools/libxl/libxl_types.idl > >> +++ b/tools/libxl/libxl_types.idl > >> @@ -37,6 +37,7 @@ libxl_domain_type = Enumeration("domain_type", [ > >> libxl_device_model_version = Enumeration("device_model_version", [ > >> (1, "QEMU_XEN_TRADITIONAL"), # Historical qemu-xen device model (qemu-dm) > >> (2, "QEMU_XEN"), # Upstream based qemu-xen device model > >> + (3, "MULTIPLE_QEMU_XEN"), # Handle multiple dm > >> > > Isn't this implicit in the provision or otherwise of num_dms? > > > Sorry but I don't understand the question. What I mean is can't you tell that the user wants multiple qemus from the fact that domain_config.num_dms is non-zero (or >1, whichever it is)? > > What are name and path? I guess path is something to do with xenstore > > but isn't that also internal to the libxl<->dm interface not something > > the caller of libxl need be aware of? > > > The path is the binary path Are these supposed to supersede libxl_domain_build_info.device_model ? > and the name is just a string append to the log filename. This could be internal to libxl I expect. > > I'm not sure what syntax "pcis", "mmios" and "pios" are going to have > > but I expect that this would be better represent as actual > > datastructures rather than encoding it as a string. > > > > How are toolstack supposed to know the values for e.g. pcis? > > > For the moment pcis are describe as bdf for instance: 00:01.1 > and mmios/pios as range (0x10-0x20 or just 0x19). And how does the toolstack know what values to use? How does it decide that BDF 00:01.1 is something it wants to move into a different DM? > > All in all this seems like a very raw/low-level interface. Can libxl not > > expose something a bit more meaningful to toolstack authors? For example > > if we consider emulated disk controllers then perhaps the options are > > * Handled by the "primary" dm > > * Handled by a single disaggregated dm > > * Handled by multiple disaggregated dm's (one per disk controller) > > Similarly for other classes or emulated device. Or maybe this should be > > a flag on those actual devices (e.g. in libxl_device_FOO)? > > > > I have not really ideas about that. The first solution that comes > in my mind is to bind each device with the device model name. > > But in this case, we need to modify QEMU to launch only a subset > of hardware and find a way to said which QEMU will emulate the > "basic" hardware (keyboard, mouse, piix, ...). > Moreover, who will allocate the bdf ? The toolstack ? I don't know. It's (currently) not the toolstack AFAIK, I guess it is either the lower level libraries (libxl, libxc) or the device model itself. I think this needs figuring out before we can decide what a sensible libxl interface for for describing which device is emulated by which dm looks like. What I want to avoid is the situation where there is something deep in the bowels of Xen which defines (or even hardcodes) the property that BDF X:Y.Z corresponds the some device or other and then require that the upper level tool stack (or, worse, the user) then has to encode that magic knowledge as a string in the configuration. > >> + > >> # Instances of libxl_file_reference contained in this struct which > >> # have been mapped (with libxl_file_reference_map) will be unmapped > >> # by libxl_domain_build/restore. If either of these are never called > >> @@ -289,6 +299,7 @@ libxl_domain_build_info = Struct("domain_build_info",[ > >> ("usbdevice", string), > >> ("soundhw", string), > >> ("xen_platform_pci", libxl_defbool), > >> + ("max_servers", integer), > >> > > As a toolstack author how do I decide what number to use here? > > > The max_servers variables is used to compute the additionnal special pages. > So the max_servers indicates the maximum servers that we want to spawn. We already know this from num_dms, don't we? Ian.
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2012-03-23 13:56 UTC|newest] Thread overview: 80+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top 2012-03-22 15:59 [Qemu-devel] [XEN][RFC PATCH 00/15] QEMU disaggregation Julien Grall 2012-03-22 15:59 ` Julien Grall 2012-03-22 15:59 ` [Qemu-devel] [XEN][RFC PATCH 01/15] hvm: Modify interface to support multiple ioreq server Julien Grall 2012-03-22 15:59 ` Julien Grall 2012-03-23 8:18 ` [Qemu-devel] [Xen-devel] " Jan Beulich 2012-03-23 8:18 ` Jan Beulich 2012-03-26 12:32 ` [Qemu-devel] [Xen-devel] " Julien Grall 2012-03-26 12:53 ` Jan Beulich 2012-03-26 12:53 ` [Qemu-devel] [Xen-devel] " Jan Beulich 2012-03-26 12:32 ` Julien Grall 2012-03-23 11:33 ` [Qemu-devel] [Xen-devel] " Ian Campbell 2012-03-23 11:33 ` Ian Campbell 2012-04-12 19:33 ` [Xen-devel] " Julien Grall 2012-04-02 17:12 ` [Qemu-devel] " Ian Jackson 2012-04-02 17:12 ` Ian Jackson 2012-03-22 15:59 ` [Qemu-devel] [XEN][RFC PATCH 02/15] hvm: Add functions to handle ioreq servers Julien Grall 2012-03-22 15:59 ` Julien Grall 2012-03-22 15:59 ` [Qemu-devel] [XEN][RFC PATCH 03/15] hvm-pci: Handle PCI config space in Xen Julien Grall 2012-03-22 15:59 ` Julien Grall 2012-03-23 8:29 ` [Qemu-devel] [Xen-devel] " Jan Beulich 2012-03-23 8:29 ` Jan Beulich 2012-03-26 12:20 ` Julien Grall 2012-03-26 12:20 ` [Qemu-devel] [Xen-devel] " Julien Grall 2012-03-26 12:52 ` Jan Beulich 2012-03-26 12:52 ` [Qemu-devel] [Xen-devel] " Jan Beulich 2012-03-22 15:59 ` [Qemu-devel] [XEN][RFC PATCH 04/15] hvm: Change initialization/destruction of an hvm Julien Grall 2012-03-22 15:59 ` Julien Grall 2012-03-22 15:59 ` [Qemu-devel] [XEN][RFC PATCH 05/15] hvm: Modify hvm_op Julien Grall 2012-03-22 15:59 ` Julien Grall 2012-04-26 17:50 ` Christian Limpach 2012-03-22 15:59 ` [Qemu-devel] [XEN][RFC PATCH 06/15] hvm-io: IO refactoring with ioreq server Julien Grall 2012-03-22 15:59 ` Julien Grall 2012-03-22 15:59 ` [Qemu-devel] [XEN][RFC PATCH 07/15] hvm-io: send invalidate map cache to each registered servers Julien Grall 2012-03-22 15:59 ` Julien Grall 2012-03-22 15:59 ` [Qemu-devel] [XEN][RFC PATCH 08/15] hvm-io: Handle server in buffered IO Julien Grall 2012-03-22 15:59 ` Julien Grall 2012-03-22 15:59 ` [Qemu-devel] [XEN][RFC PATCH 09/15] xc: Add the hypercall for multiple servers Julien Grall 2012-03-22 15:59 ` Julien Grall 2012-03-23 11:37 ` [Qemu-devel] [Xen-devel] " Ian Campbell 2012-03-23 11:37 ` Ian Campbell 2012-03-22 15:59 ` [Qemu-devel] [XEN][RFC PATCH 10/15] xc: Add argument to allocate more special pages Julien Grall 2012-03-22 15:59 ` Julien Grall 2012-03-23 11:39 ` [Qemu-devel] [Xen-devel] " Ian Campbell 2012-03-23 11:39 ` Ian Campbell 2012-03-22 15:59 ` [Qemu-devel] [XEN][RFC PATCH 11/15] xc: Fix python build Julien Grall 2012-03-22 15:59 ` Julien Grall 2012-03-23 11:39 ` [Qemu-devel] [Xen-devel] " Ian Campbell 2012-03-23 11:39 ` Ian Campbell 2012-03-22 15:59 ` [Qemu-devel] [XEN][RFC PATCH 12/15] xl: Add interface to handle multiple device models Julien Grall 2012-03-22 15:59 ` Julien Grall 2012-03-23 11:47 ` [Qemu-devel] [Xen-devel] " Ian Campbell 2012-03-23 11:47 ` Ian Campbell 2012-03-23 13:06 ` [Qemu-devel] [Xen-devel] " Julien Grall 2012-03-23 13:06 ` Julien Grall 2012-03-23 13:55 ` Ian Campbell [this message] 2012-03-23 13:55 ` Ian Campbell 2012-03-22 15:59 ` [Qemu-devel] [XEN][RFC PATCH 13/15] xl-qmp: add device model id to qmp function Julien Grall 2012-03-22 15:59 ` Julien Grall 2012-03-22 15:59 ` [Qemu-devel] [XEN][RFC PATCH 14/15] xl-parsing: Parse the new option device_models Julien Grall 2012-03-22 15:59 ` Julien Grall 2012-04-02 17:11 ` [Qemu-devel] [Xen-devel] " Ian Jackson 2012-04-02 17:11 ` Ian Jackson 2012-04-03 10:05 ` [Qemu-devel] " Stefano Stabellini 2012-04-03 10:05 ` Stefano Stabellini 2012-04-03 13:31 ` [Qemu-devel] " Ian Jackson 2012-04-03 13:31 ` Ian Jackson 2012-04-03 13:54 ` [Qemu-devel] " Julien Grall 2012-04-03 13:54 ` Julien Grall 2012-04-03 14:02 ` [Qemu-devel] [Xen-devel] " Ian Jackson 2012-04-03 14:02 ` Ian Jackson 2012-04-03 14:16 ` [Qemu-devel] [Xen-devel] " Stefano Stabellini 2012-04-03 14:16 ` Stefano Stabellini 2012-04-03 14:23 ` [Qemu-devel] " Ian Jackson 2012-04-03 14:23 ` Ian Jackson 2012-03-22 15:59 ` [Qemu-devel] [XEN][RFC PATCH 15/15] xl: Launch and destroy all device models Julien Grall 2012-03-22 15:59 ` Julien Grall 2012-03-22 16:59 ` [Qemu-devel] [Xen-devel] [XEN][RFC PATCH 00/15] QEMU disaggregation Tim Deegan 2012-03-22 16:59 ` Tim Deegan 2012-03-23 13:44 ` [Qemu-devel] [Xen-devel] " Julien Grall 2012-03-23 13:44 ` Julien Grall
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