From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org via listexpand id S1758712Ab3GPDhr (ORCPT ); Mon, 15 Jul 2013 23:37:47 -0400 Received: from hrndva-omtalb.mail.rr.com ([71.74.56.122]:18384 "EHLO hrndva-omtalb.mail.rr.com" rhost-flags-OK-OK-OK-OK) by vger.kernel.org with ESMTP id S1758521Ab3GPDhq (ORCPT ); Mon, 15 Jul 2013 23:37:46 -0400 X-Authority-Analysis: v=2.0 cv=Tr1kdUrh c=1 sm=0 a=Sro2XwOs0tJUSHxCKfOySw==:17 a=Drc5e87SC40A:10 a=yDfxGvREtdsA:10 a=5SG0PmZfjMsA:10 a=IkcTkHD0fZMA:10 a=meVymXHHAAAA:8 a=KGjhK52YXX0A:10 a=5Bi_wUEe0twA:10 a=D19gQVrFAAAA:8 a=xU9RLNg_nzVdmFSpTo8A:9 a=QEXdDO2ut3YA:10 a=hMgbWMpCMgYgYTS5:21 a=Ah78zc4SEQ7QbUQ0:21 a=Sro2XwOs0tJUSHxCKfOySw==:117 X-Cloudmark-Score: 0 X-Authenticated-User: X-Originating-IP: 67.255.60.225 Message-ID: <1373945863.17876.264.camel@gandalf.local.home> Subject: Re: [ATTEND] How to act on LKML (was: [ 00/19] 3.10.1-stable review) From: Steven Rostedt To: NeilBrown Cc: Guenter Roeck , Sarah Sharp , Linus Torvalds , Ingo Molnar , Greg Kroah-Hartman , Dave Jones , Linux Kernel Mailing List , Andrew Morton , stable , Darren Hart , ksummit-2013-discuss@lists.linuxfoundation.org, Willy Tarreau Date: Mon, 15 Jul 2013 23:37:43 -0400 In-Reply-To: <1373945681.17876.262.camel@gandalf.local.home> References: <20130715180403.GD15531@xanatos> <20130715184642.GE15531@xanatos> <20130715195316.GF15531@xanatos> <20130715204135.GH15531@xanatos> <1373926109.17876.221.camel@gandalf.local.home> <20130715223615.GI15531@xanatos> <20130715231555.GA24650@roeck-us.net> <1373933850.17876.224.camel@gandalf.local.home> <20130716131446.373ec08b@notabene.brown> <1373945681.17876.262.camel@gandalf.local.home> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" X-Mailer: Evolution 3.4.4-3 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: linux-kernel-owner@vger.kernel.org List-ID: X-Mailing-List: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org On Mon, 2013-07-15 at 23:34 -0400, Steven Rostedt wrote: > On Tue, 2013-07-16 at 13:14 +1000, NeilBrown wrote: > > > Surely there is an enormous difference between being required to defend your > > position against rational and forceful argument, and being required to defend > > it against irrelevant name calling. > > Sure, but I don't think there's really much name calling in the kernel > community. > > I just scanned a large number of LKML emails, and they all seemed rather > technical, and no personal attacks at all. And that included several > emails from Linus as well. Probably the strongest email came from Thomas > Gleixner, but even that didn't contain any personal name calling. Mostly > he called stuff "crap" but that was about the code and claims that the > code did, but not about the person. > > There are a few times that Linus gets a bit colorful with his > criticisms, but that's really the minority of the email and not the > overall tone. I think Linus picks his battles. Sometimes he goes > overboard, but he's human. But I still think he's running this ship > well. > I just found this gem: https://lkml.org/lkml/2013/7/10/600 But it's just Linus ranting about having "make install" modify the source tree (which I totally agree with him, as I've stumbled over crap like this in other projects). But he's bitching about the code, not the person who asked him to pull it. -- Steve