From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org via listexpand id S933027Ab3GPPAX (ORCPT ); Tue, 16 Jul 2013 11:00:23 -0400 Received: from hrndva-omtalb.mail.rr.com ([71.74.56.122]:6204 "EHLO hrndva-omtalb.mail.rr.com" rhost-flags-OK-OK-OK-OK) by vger.kernel.org with ESMTP id S1754599Ab3GPPAV (ORCPT ); Tue, 16 Jul 2013 11:00:21 -0400 X-Authority-Analysis: v=2.0 cv=Tr1kdUrh c=1 sm=0 a=Sro2XwOs0tJUSHxCKfOySw==:17 a=Drc5e87SC40A:10 a=E3gBSPWCDXAA:10 a=5SG0PmZfjMsA:10 a=IkcTkHD0fZMA:10 a=meVymXHHAAAA:8 a=KGjhK52YXX0A:10 a=zNXoGfytzK0A:10 a=QyXUC8HyAAAA:8 a=3x2-iSDuewuLkdcPKZMA:9 a=QEXdDO2ut3YA:10 a=Sro2XwOs0tJUSHxCKfOySw==:117 X-Cloudmark-Score: 0 X-Authenticated-User: X-Originating-IP: 67.255.60.225 Message-ID: <1373986818.17876.286.camel@gandalf.local.home> Subject: Re: [ 00/19] 3.10.1-stable review From: Steven Rostedt To: Geert Uytterhoeven Cc: Sarah Sharp , Linus Torvalds , Ingo Molnar , Guenter Roeck , Greg Kroah-Hartman , Dave Jones , Linux Kernel Mailing List , Andrew Morton , stable , Darren Hart Date: Tue, 16 Jul 2013 11:00:18 -0400 In-Reply-To: References: <20130715155202.GC29526@xanatos> <20130715174659.GC15531@xanatos> <20130715180403.GD15531@xanatos> <20130715184642.GE15531@xanatos> <20130715195316.GF15531@xanatos> <20130715204135.GH15531@xanatos> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" X-Mailer: Evolution 3.4.4-3 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: linux-kernel-owner@vger.kernel.org List-ID: X-Mailing-List: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org On Tue, 2013-07-16 at 16:30 +0200, Geert Uytterhoeven wrote: > On Mon, Jul 15, 2013 at 10:41 PM, Sarah Sharp > wrote: > > I should not have to ask for professional behavior on the mailing lists. > > Professional behavior should be the default. > > So, what does "professional" mean? A professional is paid for his work, an > amateur isn't. But this doesn't say anything about code quality, maintainer > responsiveness, etc. > Does it imply behavior that (hopefully) keeps getting you paid? > Let me give you an example of a "professional" environment. When I use to work for a large corporation, we had one guy doing some work for us and he was rather new to our department (not new as a programmer). But I swear, I have no idea how he became a programmer, and he's been with the company for a while. He had to do a task that I was in charge of, and gave him the requirements. He just couldn't understand it. I spent a full week and a half "being nice" and going into details of what he needed to do and he got no where. Finally, as I have now gone over every aspect of what needed to be done and knew it in excruciating detail, I sat down and wrote the entire thing myself in a single day. This was something he was to do in two weeks. When my manager heard about this, she blew up and sent a very nasty email to the employee's manager, and things got really bad because of the "nastiness" of the email and not the fact that we wasted two weeks of being unproductive. That's what a professional environment gives you, and honestly, I think the Linux community can do without it. -- Steve