From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org via listexpand id S1751071Ab3GXBiI (ORCPT ); Tue, 23 Jul 2013 21:38:08 -0400 Received: from hrndva-omtalb.mail.rr.com ([71.74.56.122]:7900 "EHLO hrndva-omtalb.mail.rr.com" rhost-flags-OK-OK-OK-OK) by vger.kernel.org with ESMTP id S1750753Ab3GXBiF (ORCPT ); Tue, 23 Jul 2013 21:38:05 -0400 X-Authority-Analysis: v=2.0 cv=e9yEuNV/ c=1 sm=0 a=Sro2XwOs0tJUSHxCKfOySw==:17 a=Drc5e87SC40A:10 a=QIZFyTDxVIcA:10 a=5SG0PmZfjMsA:10 a=IkcTkHD0fZMA:10 a=meVymXHHAAAA:8 a=KGjhK52YXX0A:10 a=WKn5AdJQQDgA:10 a=urzCFPDNii5sBMocFxYA:9 a=QEXdDO2ut3YA:10 a=Sro2XwOs0tJUSHxCKfOySw==:117 X-Cloudmark-Score: 0 X-Authenticated-User: X-Originating-IP: 67.255.60.225 Message-ID: <1374629880.3356.130.camel@gandalf.local.home> Subject: Re: [Ksummit-2013-discuss] [ATTEND] How to act on LKML From: Steven Rostedt To: James Bottomley Cc: Felipe Contreras , "ksummit-2013-discuss@lists.linuxfoundation.org" , Stefano Stabellini , Greg Kroah-Hartman , Darren Hart , Linux Kernel Mailing List , stable , Willy Tarreau , Geert Uytterhoeven , Chris Ball , Linus Torvalds , Ingo Molnar Date: Tue, 23 Jul 2013 21:38:00 -0400 In-Reply-To: <1374629194.2290.77.camel@dabdike> References: <1373944014.17876.255.camel@gandalf.local.home> <51E4BFA9.1030600@zytor.com> <1373991399.6458.6.camel@gandalf.local.home> <51E59F79.1040903@zytor.com> <20130717144043.GA16513@xanatos> <20130719120841.GH26716@gmail.com> <1EC23D2B9975384993D85B5DB93AAE8861AA8D@sisaex01sj> <1374629194.2290.77.camel@dabdike> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" X-Mailer: Evolution 3.4.4-3 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: linux-kernel-owner@vger.kernel.org List-ID: X-Mailing-List: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org On Tue, 2013-07-23 at 18:26 -0700, James Bottomley wrote: > I think it's not in the original fallacies because they come from Greek > rhetoric and the Greeks believed dialectic: the taking opposite > positions and arguing them thoroughly. It's only with the advent of > Western European political systems that we're conditioned to seek > compromise without rigorous examination. This actually makes argument > to moderation one of the most effective rhetorical tools in use today > for discrediting an opponent's argument without actually addressing it. What? Really? You mean the truth doesn't lie in the middle between evolution and creationism? -- Steve From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Message-ID: <1374629880.3356.130.camel@gandalf.local.home> Subject: Re: [Ksummit-2013-discuss] [ATTEND] How to act on LKML From: Steven Rostedt To: James Bottomley Cc: Felipe Contreras , "ksummit-2013-discuss@lists.linuxfoundation.org" , Stefano Stabellini , Greg Kroah-Hartman , Darren Hart , Linux Kernel Mailing List , stable , Willy Tarreau , Geert Uytterhoeven , Chris Ball , Linus Torvalds , Ingo Molnar Date: Tue, 23 Jul 2013 21:38:00 -0400 In-Reply-To: <1374629194.2290.77.camel@dabdike> References: <1373944014.17876.255.camel@gandalf.local.home> <51E4BFA9.1030600@zytor.com> <1373991399.6458.6.camel@gandalf.local.home> <51E59F79.1040903@zytor.com> <20130717144043.GA16513@xanatos> <20130719120841.GH26716@gmail.com> <1EC23D2B9975384993D85B5DB93AAE8861AA8D@sisaex01sj> <1374629194.2290.77.camel@dabdike> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: linux-kernel-owner@vger.kernel.org List-ID: On Tue, 2013-07-23 at 18:26 -0700, James Bottomley wrote: > I think it's not in the original fallacies because they come from Greek > rhetoric and the Greeks believed dialectic: the taking opposite > positions and arguing them thoroughly. It's only with the advent of > Western European political systems that we're conditioned to seek > compromise without rigorous examination. This actually makes argument > to moderation one of the most effective rhetorical tools in use today > for discrediting an opponent's argument without actually addressing it. What? Really? You mean the truth doesn't lie in the middle between evolution and creationism? -- Steve