From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org via listexpand id S1752575AbaBNP61 (ORCPT ); Fri, 14 Feb 2014 10:58:27 -0500 Received: from nm31-vm8.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com ([72.30.239.134]:33666 "EHLO nm31-vm8.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com" rhost-flags-OK-OK-OK-OK) by vger.kernel.org with ESMTP id S1751948AbaBNP6Z (ORCPT ); Fri, 14 Feb 2014 10:58:25 -0500 X-Greylist: delayed 343 seconds by postgrey-1.27 at vger.kernel.org; Fri, 14 Feb 2014 10:58:25 EST X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 716675.96875.bm@omp1037.mail.bf1.yahoo.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Rocket-MIMEInfo:X-Mailer:Message-ID:Date:From:Subject:To:Cc:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=wha4B5MxWNGDgJkyCkxEvbz6/WA3nBHzBUZpK7t/g+9eC7vPus14hvRplKidp18zSVew6WL0h8sNq/MpwVaWWuEzgHKb5ZPcfYs/jx9Bb8Kgql7ZjLmBGZJJs99sb4BAvQ29kQEE46TI9P1eAKIm2YM0GGaJeoHirV8OSaltCsc=; X-YMail-OSG: oWagYzYVM1nB5V4sXOyu9AETcjs_PNfNyhYA0GTT1FALb_T 3ooQGa8.GnVWkUvFNaLLyf7bUg_LeDjb10S1JAfAiGIKLOLrvZFs2H4IOgZA DB9oCCqZvAjRKY5LneYcbmTqIaV7FvwZ8D29QlmBe1xur0SFgJZHG0PF1yNJ R7DdPMYLUyEngA5bpdIp.RmdVx1r_0FtzFNw.fdwr8BdROg_q3bKHvvguALI 4qWz81LpSMxl2qmzoZS.87XeZezbaMR...jfZP2kMfyX_FeJQQKtg19Hvesz 3IM4gy4Kj7nFgRXFhdd7cPbLPPn6W6YkK0fYhGK401wxuaHHCEm97gL9VT8Y Vc7WXrArmKgfEE9cm35iYtynBKog5wdxiBUeWClI8Q8CGwW8BEA6uSU3_M21 OwsqteIgnFrXUMevZ9oeq.iTD6y5UxxtJoWQ7iA3QPikwFDTmddnGfTxCSrG l_EWTBuHVAoxKxwt03.jsBJnK8X9HTEabAaU2Wy.vk3uFRX1p4zCY5BELkM2 pcAExCWf8soGRatTulvtr.QkQKw-- X-Rocket-MIMEInfo: 002.001,WWVwIGFub3RoZXIgc3lzdGVtZCBzdXBwb3J0ZXIgdGFjdGljOg0Kc2h1dCBkb3duIGRlYmF0ZS4NCg0KQWxzbyBicnVzaCB1cCBvbiB5b3VyIGNvbGxvcXVpYWwgZW5nbGlzaCBsYW5ndWFnZSBza2lsbHMuDQpJIG5ldmVyIHNhaWQgc3lzdGVtZCBpdHNlbGYgd2FzIGNyYXAuDQoiRXZlcnlvbmUga25vd3MgdGhhdCB0aGUgc3lzdGVtZCBjcmFwIg0KSUU6IFRoZSBzeXN0ZW1kICJzdHVmZiIuDQoNCj5DaGFvc0VzcXVlIFRlYW06DQo.PiBFdmVyeW9uZSBrbm93cyB0aGF0IHRoZSBzeXN0ZW1kIGNyYXAgWy4uLl0BMAEBAQE- X-Mailer: YahooMailClassic/424 YahooMailWebService/0.8.177.636 Message-ID: <1392393158.11177.YahooMailBasic@web141702.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 14 Feb 2014 07:52:38 -0800 (PST) From: ChaosEsque Team Subject: Re: Honestly, f__k systemd and f__k lennart, and f__k the fans of them. Where's linus in all of this? To: debian-devel@lists.debian.org Cc: debian-project@lists.debian.org, debian-vote@lists.debian.org, debian-hurd@lists.debian.org, debian-kfreebsd@lists.debian.org, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, rms@gnu.org, esr@thyrsus.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: linux-kernel-owner@vger.kernel.org List-ID: X-Mailing-List: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org Yep another systemd supporter tactic: shut down debate. Also brush up on your colloquial english language skills. I never said systemd itself was crap. "Everyone knows that the systemd crap" IE: The systemd "stuff". >ChaosEsque Team: >> Everyone knows that the systemd crap [...] > >Well, having used systemd for the past umpteen momnths, I can state from >personal knowledge that it works rather well. "Crap" by definition does >not, therefore systemd es not crap. > >Ergo, your main premise is hereby refuted. > >*NOW* will you kindly shut up? > >You're not helping anybody, not even those who otherwise share your opinion. > >I hereby formally ask the listmasters to please block these persons(?); >enough is enough. > >-- >-- Matthias Urlichs You did state that if systemd was not default you would leave debian. It's always has to be your way, systemd people. >Aigars Mahinovs wrote: >Not respecting the communication culture of the project is a perfectly >reasonable reason for a ban, regardless of the opinion expressed by >the banned or held by the banners. When the communication culture means accept systemd, stop debating, stop trying to prevent the forcing of systemd on the debian community.. In that case, screw the rules. A revolution is needed when all power is in the hands of systemd supporters. FOUR people should not beable to overturn 30 years of rock solid sysv stability. (20 years in debian). FOUR people should not beable to cancel out the knowlege of how linux works of thousands of debian customers (yea, im not using your disrespectful "(l)users" phrase, people who run debian are not as dumb as you systemd people make us out to be, we DO care about init and ARE paying attention) and replace it with your own different ideas that we then are forced to learn. The only reason systemd is to be forced on us is because a systemd supporter had the chair position in the debain tech-ctte oligarchic planning commission. You shouldn't be able to declare sysv "depreciated", "going to be removed", "bit rotting" (wtf, the script is written once and works forever unless the daemon is rewritten to fork a few extra times for no particular reason, most scripts are write once work forevermore, and they exist, now. You want to rip them out) You shouldn't be allowed to proclaim that systemd is the victor and you shouldn't be allowed to force or cajole us all to use systemd via the undemocratic debian process. Even if you do aquire a majority, you should not be allowed to take away the rights of the slight minority. We know sysv. It works fine. Alot of us do NOT want to use systemd. But you people say we have to or leave debian. In that case debian needs to be split, and you systemd people need to be tossed out of one half of it, just as you are trying (and succeding) in tossing out non-systemd users and devs from debian currently.