From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org via listexpand id S1752871AbaBNQKY (ORCPT ); Fri, 14 Feb 2014 11:10:24 -0500 Received: from nm33-vm5.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com ([72.30.239.205]:44411 "EHLO nm33-vm5.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com" rhost-flags-OK-OK-OK-OK) by vger.kernel.org with ESMTP id S1752271AbaBNQKW convert rfc822-to-8bit (ORCPT ); Fri, 14 Feb 2014 11:10:22 -0500 X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 440350.80703.bm@omp1007.mail.bf1.yahoo.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Rocket-MIMEInfo:X-Mailer:Message-ID:Date:From:Subject:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=r9kYU3guJNcQtvcFMmv0n6+zyrj081IMt+UZPGBk8/5+M+psuEW3RxUCY9N6cC6DvEtO+BZpBbq56W9JnJZagLRdfuouIpqkDaQ8WAexaUkTyCpvo83e4NOGeqkxrc8A15+ktt1I1OEdtOLOvClQqYQBGrEfjSlDpE/sqGXwjq0=; X-YMail-OSG: QDlRvlYVM1nOlv0vw5Ct2lZhtmS3eSwxJSQ.jYiuq6BNzOS Lb_pnlIEyAubFoK7i8Gv0tcQWFArExHvbi5z_8N_b0os3i7kqyNW2oFkQ9p9 nvNdzVBOcwEKm_sHy4hzbhlt4kRshcgDGwq2QLWf_0GYA1ripLG4aFBaRm6q ihRAhhuPzpFpNAAa0C3SEh1a.7pTEwkr8uCESWK4RGR4dXsq.AsgW0LjySdO keMAUG.yQZR.DGLPnG7U_9mo3ccmOJv.4UCcv32cqjN4w6C22W1el9pWFYEJ KtThFB5wVE_fACvw2QdE9m1jS6wN9rsOmZk4H4jR.Nf1m88P.m85mGY8maqH nVrRICZWvXtgayVq1NO08HIxkJYhr263oNCmSDlJ0tWbHtR3bOgibwSeUoSi v8_G5klkcG1.ddpwBui23GhNjZCDzWTNzaQTKkVN7J0dytDHehQowdlWJ9qA TlSjj6tZkafByeLcps7YRa5c10UkMOdyUiHPfHM8YQ.T5snFPwr1TVHmmPtG ihdRA4pA68p8mJiasY0kGCuZybA-- X-Rocket-MIMEInfo: 002.001,SSBtdWNoIHByZWZlciBzaW1wbGVyIGZvcm1zIG92ZXIgY29tcGxleCBmb3Jtcy4NClN5c1YgaXMgdGhhdCB2cyBzeXN0ZW1kLg0KDQpUaGUgc3lzdGVtZCBwZW9wbGUgaGF2ZSBwdXNoZWQgaGFyZCBmb3IgZXhjbHVzaXZlIHN5c3RlbWQgaW4gZGViaWFuLg0KQW5kIGV2ZXJ5d2hlcmUgZWxzZSBmb3IgdGhhdCBtYXR0ZXIuDQoNCkkgcmVhbGx5IHdvdWxkIGxpa2UgdG8gaGF2ZSB0aGUgb3B0aW9uLCBmb3JldmVyLCB0byBjb250aW51ZSB1c2luZyANCnN5c3Ygc2NyaXB0cywganVzdCBsaWtlIHdlJ3ZlIGJlZW4BMAEBAQE- X-Mailer: YahooMailClassic/424 YahooMailWebService/0.8.177.636 Message-ID: <1392394221.91161.YahooMailBasic@web141706.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 14 Feb 2014 08:10:21 -0800 (PST) From: ChaosEsque Team Subject: Re: Honestly, f__k systemd and f__k lennart, and f__k the fans of them. Where's linus in all of this? To: Borislav Petkov Cc: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org In-Reply-To: <20140214142732.GB26664@pd.tnic> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8BIT Sender: linux-kernel-owner@vger.kernel.org List-ID: X-Mailing-List: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org I much prefer simpler forms over complex forms. SysV is that vs systemd. The systemd people have pushed hard for exclusive systemd in debian. And everywhere else for that matter. I really would like to have the option, forever, to continue using sysv scripts, just like we've been doing since linux came into existance and since debian came into the world. I do not like how systemd works, I just don't want to use it. I don't like how it takes over everything. I do like debian, it has always been about choice. But now the systemd people are taking that choice away. They are always threatening us that sysv scripts _will_ "bit rot" away (they're wooden?, no they exist now and work fine, and will continue to work fine). I wish someone could weigh in and defang the systemd and pottering people. They are steamrolling over all of us, they seem to take pleasure in the fact that we will have to relearn everything and on their terms. It is domination of the mind. They also have zero respect for anyone else. Zero respect for people that like the unix way. Zero respect for those older than them and Zero respect for those working in the field. Could linus perhaps atleast delegate udev away from pottering and friends? And maybe make a statement that linux is NOT systemd, there is no new "linux software stack" that pottering and friends keep insisting on. This situation is coming to a head. We need leadership against this landgrab of the systemd people. -------------------------------------------- On Fri, 2/14/14, Borislav Petkov wrote: Subject: Re: Honestly, f__k systemd and f__k lennart, and f__k the fans of them. Where's linus in all of this? To: "ChaosEsque Team" Cc: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org Date: Friday, February 14, 2014, 6:27 AM On Fri, Feb 14, 2014 at 05:19:01AM -0800, ChaosEsque Team wrote: > Honestly, f__k systemd and f__k lennart, and f__k the fans of them. > Where's linus in all of this? > > The systemd fans ban anyone who say f__k-that to systemd. > > What can we do? > Can we fork debian? (Why do we have to...) > Why do 4 people get to decide to send thousands and thousands of people into the systemd waters? > This is not fair. > > This is not-pro choice. And YES, linux, and especially debian IS about choice. I don't know if you're trolling for a useless discussion or this is really your opinion but if it were, I have to say that I agree with you about the choice aspect. I don't like that systemd-or-die XOR-morality either. I'm sure systemd might have its merits and all but I think, too, people should have a choice on any distro. Just my 2c. -- Regards/Gruss,     Boris. Sent from a fat crate under my desk. Formatting is fine. --