From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from smtp1.linuxfoundation.org (smtp1.linux-foundation.org [172.17.192.35]) by mail.linuxfoundation.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 95A1B94D for ; Tue, 26 Jul 2016 14:33:43 +0000 (UTC) Received: from bombadil.infradead.org (bombadil.infradead.org [198.137.202.9]) by smtp1.linuxfoundation.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 74C47153 for ; Tue, 26 Jul 2016 14:33:42 +0000 (UTC) Message-ID: <1469543609.120686.319.camel@infradead.org> From: David Woodhouse To: Guenter Roeck , James Bottomley , "Rafael J. Wysocki" Date: Tue, 26 Jul 2016 15:33:29 +0100 In-Reply-To: <57976941.2040308@roeck-us.net> References: <1468115770.2333.15.camel@HansenPartnership.com> <146834264.pgPOSbOmkO@vostro.rjw.lan> <1468119600.19833.9.camel@HansenPartnership.com> <1469540111.120686.314.camel@infradead.org> <57976941.2040308@roeck-us.net> Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg="sha-256"; protocol="application/x-pkcs7-signature"; boundary="=-lJvvbdtVL8Sxg0FuGMvG" Mime-Version: 1.0 Cc: Trond Myklebust , ksummit-discuss@lists.linuxfoundation.org Subject: Re: [Ksummit-discuss] [CORE TOPIC] stable workflow List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , --=-lJvvbdtVL8Sxg0FuGMvG Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Tue, 2016-07-26 at 06:44 -0700, Guenter Roeck wrote: >=20 > > We really should have more of an expectation that new code should be > > submitted *with* test cases. After all, it's not like people are > > generally submitting code that's *entirely* untested. It's more that > > testing is ad-hoc, and sometimes depends on running on specific > > hardware. But even the latter can often be fixed, with appropriate test > > harnesses. > > >=20 > Worthy goal, but knowing developers I am quite concerned that it would re= sult > in (possibly much) less kernel contributions. In addition to contribution= s > from unaffiliated individuals, there is a lot of code in vendor trees whi= ch > is not upstreamed today. Demanding test cases for upstreaming would for s= ure > make the interest in upstreaming that code even lower than it is today. Sure, but I did say an *expectation* rather than a hard requirement. We are nothing if not pragmatic. Having the *infrastructure* in place, and plenty of existing examples, would make this a whole lot easier for submitters. 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