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From: Benjamin Herrenschmidt <benh@kernel.crashing.org>
To: Palmer Dabbelt <palmer@dabbelt.com>
Cc: Linux Kernel Mailing List <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
	Olof Johansson <olof@lixom.net>,
	albert@sifive.com, Arnd Bergmann <arnd@arndb.de>
Subject: Re: [PATCH 4/7] RISC-V: arch/riscv/include
Date: Wed, 24 May 2017 07:23:50 +1000	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <1495574630.3352.13.camel@kernel.crashing.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <CAK8P3a2yOYwY7geaGvEufjaNN+sAUcGQKhxq1TX8JWuJOhi8-Q@mail.gmail.com>

On Tue, 2017-05-23 at 14:55 +0200, Arnd Bergmann wrote:
> > +
> > +#include <asm-generic/io.h>
> 
> I would recommend providing your own {read,write}{b,w,l,q}{,_relaxed}
> helpers using inline assembly, to prevent the compiler for breaking
> up accesses into byte accesses.
> 
> Also, most architectures require to some synchronization after a
> non-relaxed readl() to prevent prefetching of DMA buffers, and
> before a writel() to flush write buffers when a DMA gets triggered.

Right, I was about to comment on that one.

The question Palmer is about the ordering semantics of non-cached
storage.

What kind of ordering is provided architecturally ? Especially
between cachable and non-cachable loads and stores ?

Also, you have PCIe right ? What is the behaviour of MSIs ?

Does your HW provide a guarantee that in the case of a series of DMA
writes to memory by a device followed by an MSI, the CPU getting the
MSI will only get it after all the previous DMA writes have reached
coherency ? (Unlike LSIs where the driver is required to do an MMIO
read from the device, MSIs are expected to be ordered with data).

Another things with the read*() accessors. It's not uncommon for
a driver to do:

	writel(1, reset_reg);
	readl(reset_reg); /* flush posted writes */
	udelay(10);
	writel(0, reset_reg);

Now, in the above case, what can typically happen if you aren't careful
is that the readl which is intended to "push" the previous writel, will
not actually do its job because the return value hasn't been "consumed"
by the processor. Thus, the CPU will stick that on some kind of load
queue and won't actually wait for the return value before hitting the
delay loop.

Thus you might end up in a situation where the writel of 1 to the
device is itself reaching the device way after you started the delay
loop, and thus end up violating the delay requirement of the HW.

On powerpc we solve that by using a special instruction construct
inside the read* accessors that prevents the CPU from executing
subsequent instructions until the read value has been returned.

You may want to consider something similar.

Cheers,
Ben.

  reply	other threads:[~2017-05-23 21:24 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 281+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2017-05-23  0:41 RISC-V Linux Port v1 Palmer Dabbelt
2017-05-23  0:41 ` [PATCH 1/7] RISC-V: Top-Level Makefile for riscv{32,64} Palmer Dabbelt
2017-05-23 11:30   ` Arnd Bergmann
2017-05-27  0:57     ` Palmer Dabbelt
2017-05-29 10:50       ` Arnd Bergmann
2017-06-06  4:56         ` Palmer Dabbelt
2017-06-06 17:39           ` Karsten Merker
2017-06-06 17:57             ` Palmer Dabbelt
2017-05-23  0:41 ` [PATCH 2/7] RISC-V: arch/riscv Makefile and Kconfigs Palmer Dabbelt
2017-05-23  1:27   ` Olof Johansson
2017-05-23  1:31     ` Randy Dunlap
2017-05-23  4:49       ` Palmer Dabbelt
2017-05-23  4:49     ` Palmer Dabbelt
2017-05-23  5:16       ` [patches] " Olof Johansson
2017-05-23 21:07         ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2017-05-23  5:23   ` Olof Johansson
2017-05-23 15:29     ` Palmer Dabbelt
2017-05-23 10:51   ` Geert Uytterhoeven
2017-05-25  1:59     ` Palmer Dabbelt
2017-05-23 11:46   ` Arnd Bergmann
2017-05-27  0:57     ` Palmer Dabbelt
2017-05-29 11:17       ` Arnd Bergmann
2017-06-06  4:56         ` Palmer Dabbelt
2017-06-06  9:20           ` Arnd Bergmann
2017-06-06 20:38             ` Palmer Dabbelt
2017-05-23  0:41 ` [PATCH 3/7] RISC-V: Device Tree Documentation Palmer Dabbelt
2017-05-23 12:03   ` Arnd Bergmann
2017-05-27  0:57     ` Palmer Dabbelt
2017-05-23  0:41 ` [PATCH 4/7] RISC-V: arch/riscv/include Palmer Dabbelt
2017-05-23 12:55   ` Arnd Bergmann
2017-05-23 21:23     ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt [this message]
2017-06-03  2:00       ` Palmer Dabbelt
2017-06-01  0:56     ` Palmer Dabbelt
2017-06-01  9:00       ` Arnd Bergmann
2017-06-06  4:56         ` Palmer Dabbelt
2017-06-06  8:54           ` Arnd Bergmann
2017-06-06 19:07             ` Palmer Dabbelt
2017-05-23  0:41 ` [PATCH 5/7] RISC-V: arch/riscv/lib Palmer Dabbelt
2017-05-23 10:47   ` Geert Uytterhoeven
2017-05-23 22:07     ` Palmer Dabbelt
2017-05-23 11:19   ` Arnd Bergmann
2017-05-25  1:59     ` Palmer Dabbelt
2017-05-26  9:06       ` Arnd Bergmann
2017-06-06  4:56         ` Palmer Dabbelt
2017-06-06  9:31           ` Arnd Bergmann
2017-06-06 20:53             ` Palmer Dabbelt
2017-06-07  7:35               ` Arnd Bergmann
2017-06-23 23:24                 ` Palmer Dabbelt
2017-05-23  0:41 ` [PATCH 6/7] RISC-V: arch/riscv/kernel Palmer Dabbelt
2017-05-23  2:11   ` Olof Johansson
2017-05-25  1:59     ` Palmer Dabbelt
2017-05-25 19:51       ` Arnd Bergmann
2017-06-06  4:56         ` Palmer Dabbelt
2017-06-06  9:03           ` Arnd Bergmann
2017-06-06 20:38             ` Palmer Dabbelt
2017-05-23 13:35   ` Arnd Bergmann
2017-06-02 23:56     ` Palmer Dabbelt
2017-06-06  9:01       ` Arnd Bergmann
2017-06-06 20:37         ` Palmer Dabbelt
2017-05-25 17:05   ` Pavel Machek
2017-06-03  3:32     ` Palmer Dabbelt
2017-05-23  0:41 ` [PATCH 7/7] RISC-V: arch/riscv/mm Palmer Dabbelt
2017-05-23  1:28   ` Randy Dunlap
2017-05-23  2:17     ` Olof Johansson
2017-05-23  3:36       ` Palmer Dabbelt
2017-05-23  1:16 ` RISC-V Linux Port v1 Olof Johansson
2017-05-23  1:25   ` Randy Dunlap
2017-05-23  3:36     ` Palmer Dabbelt
2017-05-23  3:36   ` Palmer Dabbelt
2017-05-23  6:45     ` Tobias Klauser
2017-05-23 15:44       ` Palmer Dabbelt
2017-05-23  2:16 ` Randy Dunlap
2017-05-23  4:49   ` Palmer Dabbelt
2017-06-06 22:59 ` RISC-V Linux Port v2 Palmer Dabbelt
2017-06-06 22:59   ` Palmer Dabbelt
2017-06-06 22:59   ` [PATCH 01/17] drivers: support PCIe in RISCV Palmer Dabbelt
2017-06-06 22:59     ` Palmer Dabbelt
2017-06-07  7:17     ` Geert Uytterhoeven
2017-06-07 14:25     ` Christoph Hellwig
     [not found]       ` <CAMgXwTjXZ5dsxmJ2FyWhCRWo-3nyvKUDfhfV0nNC+oakF=AEsA@mail.gmail.com>
2017-06-07 17:40         ` Olof Johansson
2017-06-23 21:47           ` [patches] " Palmer Dabbelt
2017-06-23 21:47             ` Palmer Dabbelt
2017-06-06 22:59   ` [PATCH 02/17] pcie-xilinx: add missing 5th legacy interrupt Palmer Dabbelt
2017-06-06 22:59   ` Palmer Dabbelt
2017-06-06 22:59     ` Palmer Dabbelt
2017-06-07  7:18     ` Geert Uytterhoeven
2017-06-07  9:24     ` Marc Zyngier
2017-06-07 19:03       ` Wesley Terpstra
2017-06-06 22:59   ` [PATCH 03/17] base: fix order of OF initialization Palmer Dabbelt
2017-06-06 22:59     ` Palmer Dabbelt
2017-06-07  7:07     ` Geert Uytterhoeven
2017-06-07  9:35       ` Mark Rutland
2017-06-07  9:35         ` Mark Rutland
2017-06-07 18:39         ` Wesley Terpstra
2017-06-07 21:10           ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2017-06-08  3:49           ` Frank Rowand
2017-06-08  9:05             ` Mark Rutland
2017-06-08  9:05               ` Mark Rutland
2017-06-08  9:05               ` Mark Rutland
2017-06-09  0:37               ` Frank Rowand
2017-06-06 22:59   ` [PATCH 04/17] Documentation: atomic_ops.txt is core-api/atomic_ops.rst Palmer Dabbelt
2017-06-06 22:59     ` Palmer Dabbelt
2017-06-07  7:19     ` Geert Uytterhoeven
2017-06-07  9:20     ` Will Deacon
2017-06-06 22:59   ` [PATCH 05/17] MAINTAINERS: Add RISC-V Palmer Dabbelt
2017-06-06 22:59   ` Palmer Dabbelt
2017-06-06 22:59     ` Palmer Dabbelt
2017-06-06 22:59   ` [PATCH 06/17] pci: Add generic pcibios_{fixup_bus,align_resource} Palmer Dabbelt
2017-06-06 22:59     ` Palmer Dabbelt
2017-06-07  7:19     ` Geert Uytterhoeven
2017-06-07  8:01       ` Arnd Bergmann
2017-06-24  2:01         ` Palmer Dabbelt
2017-06-24  2:01           ` Palmer Dabbelt
2017-06-08  8:12       ` Christoph Hellwig
2017-06-08  8:35         ` Arnd Bergmann
2017-06-24  2:01           ` Palmer Dabbelt
2017-06-24  2:01             ` Palmer Dabbelt
2017-06-06 22:59   ` [PATCH 07/17] lib: Add shared copies of some GCC library routines Palmer Dabbelt
2017-06-06 22:59     ` Palmer Dabbelt
2017-06-06 22:59   ` Palmer Dabbelt
2017-06-06 22:59   ` [PATCH 08/17] dts: include documentation for the RISC-V interrupt controllers Palmer Dabbelt
2017-06-06 22:59     ` Palmer Dabbelt
2017-06-07  7:11     ` Geert Uytterhoeven
2017-06-07 10:13       ` Mark Rutland
2017-06-07 18:57         ` Wesley Terpstra
2017-06-07 19:57           ` Rob Herring
2017-06-07 20:31             ` Wesley Terpstra
2017-06-08 10:52           ` Mark Rutland
2017-06-09 21:46             ` Wesley Terpstra
2017-06-09 21:46               ` Wesley Terpstra
2017-06-09 21:58             ` Wesley Terpstra
2017-06-19 14:30               ` Mark Rutland
2017-06-07 22:27     ` Luis R. Rodriguez
2017-06-06 22:59   ` Palmer Dabbelt
2017-06-06 22:59   ` [PATCH 09/17] clocksource/timer-riscv: New RISC-V Clocksource Palmer Dabbelt
2017-06-06 22:59     ` Palmer Dabbelt
2017-06-07  7:12     ` Geert Uytterhoeven
2017-06-07  7:25       ` Arnd Bergmann
2017-06-23 23:24         ` Palmer Dabbelt
2017-06-23 23:24           ` Palmer Dabbelt
2017-06-07  9:43     ` Marc Zyngier
2017-06-24  2:02       ` Palmer Dabbelt
2017-06-24  2:02         ` Palmer Dabbelt
2017-06-06 23:00   ` [PATCH 10/17] irqchip: New RISC-V PLIC Driver Palmer Dabbelt
2017-06-06 23:00     ` Palmer Dabbelt
2017-06-07  7:13     ` Geert Uytterhoeven
2017-06-07  7:55       ` Arnd Bergmann
2017-06-24  0:45         ` Palmer Dabbelt
2017-06-24  0:45           ` Palmer Dabbelt
2017-06-07 10:52     ` Marc Zyngier
2017-06-09 13:47       ` Will Deacon
2017-06-27  1:09         ` Palmer Dabbelt
2017-06-27  1:09           ` Palmer Dabbelt
2017-06-25 20:49       ` Palmer Dabbelt
2017-06-25 20:49         ` Palmer Dabbelt
2017-06-06 23:00   ` Palmer Dabbelt
2017-06-06 23:00   ` [PATCH 11/17] irqchip: RISC-V Local Interrupt Controller Driver Palmer Dabbelt
2017-06-06 23:00     ` Palmer Dabbelt
2017-06-07  7:14     ` Geert Uytterhoeven
2017-06-06 23:00   ` [PATCH 12/17] tty: New RISC-V SBI Console Driver Palmer Dabbelt
2017-06-06 23:00     ` Palmer Dabbelt
2017-06-07  7:15     ` Geert Uytterhoeven
2017-06-07  7:58       ` Arnd Bergmann
2017-06-24  0:45         ` Palmer Dabbelt
2017-06-24  0:45           ` Palmer Dabbelt
2017-06-06 23:00   ` Palmer Dabbelt
2017-06-06 23:00   ` [PATCH 13/17] RISC-V: Add include subdirectory Palmer Dabbelt
2017-06-06 23:00     ` Palmer Dabbelt
2017-06-07  8:12     ` Arnd Bergmann
2017-06-24  2:01       ` Palmer Dabbelt
2017-06-24  2:01         ` Palmer Dabbelt
2017-06-24 15:42         ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2017-06-24 21:32           ` [patches] " Palmer Dabbelt
2017-06-24 21:32             ` Palmer Dabbelt
2017-06-25  3:01             ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2017-06-07 11:54     ` Peter Zijlstra
2017-06-07 12:25       ` Peter Zijlstra
2017-06-07 12:06     ` Peter Zijlstra
2017-06-07 12:18       ` Peter Zijlstra
2017-06-07 12:36       ` Peter Zijlstra
2017-06-07 12:58         ` Peter Zijlstra
2017-06-07 13:16           ` Will Deacon
2017-06-26 20:07             ` Palmer Dabbelt
2017-06-26 20:07               ` Palmer Dabbelt
2017-06-27  0:07               ` Daniel Lustig
2017-06-27  8:48                 ` Will Deacon
2017-06-07 16:35           ` Peter Zijlstra
2017-06-26 20:07           ` Palmer Dabbelt
2017-06-26 20:07             ` Palmer Dabbelt
2017-06-07 12:42     ` Peter Zijlstra
2017-06-07 13:17     ` Peter Zijlstra
2017-06-09  8:16       ` Peter Zijlstra
2017-06-26 20:07       ` Palmer Dabbelt
2017-06-26 20:07         ` Palmer Dabbelt
2017-06-06 23:00   ` [PATCH 14/17] RISC-V: lib files Palmer Dabbelt
2017-06-06 23:00     ` Palmer Dabbelt
2017-06-06 23:00   ` [PATCH 15/17] RISC-V: Add mm subdirectory Palmer Dabbelt
2017-06-06 23:00     ` Palmer Dabbelt
2017-06-06 23:00   ` [PATCH 16/17] RISC-V: Add kernel subdirectory Palmer Dabbelt
2017-06-06 23:00     ` Palmer Dabbelt
2017-06-06 23:00   ` Palmer Dabbelt
2017-06-06 23:00   ` [PATCH 17/17] RISC-V: Makefile and Kconfig Palmer Dabbelt
2017-06-06 23:00   ` Palmer Dabbelt
2017-06-06 23:00     ` Palmer Dabbelt
2017-06-07  9:23   ` RISC-V Linux Port v2 Will Deacon
2017-06-07 21:54     ` Palmer Dabbelt
2017-06-07 21:54       ` Palmer Dabbelt
2017-06-08 10:26       ` Will Deacon
2017-06-08 18:16         ` Palmer Dabbelt
2017-06-08 18:16           ` Palmer Dabbelt
2017-06-28 18:55   ` RISC-V Linux Port v3 Palmer Dabbelt
2017-06-28 18:55     ` Palmer Dabbelt
2017-06-28 18:55     ` [PATCH 1/9] RISC-V: Init and Halt Code Palmer Dabbelt
2017-06-28 18:55       ` Palmer Dabbelt
2017-06-29  9:44       ` Geert Uytterhoeven
2017-06-29  9:44         ` Geert Uytterhoeven
2017-06-29 22:52         ` Palmer Dabbelt
2017-06-29 22:52           ` Palmer Dabbelt
2017-06-28 18:55     ` Palmer Dabbelt
2017-06-28 18:55     ` [PATCH 2/9] RISC-V: Atomic and Locking Code Palmer Dabbelt
2017-06-28 18:55       ` Palmer Dabbelt
2017-06-28 18:55     ` [PATCH 3/9] RISC-V: Generic library routines and assembly Palmer Dabbelt
2017-06-28 18:55       ` Palmer Dabbelt
2017-06-28 18:55     ` [PATCH 4/9] RISC-V: ELF and module implementation Palmer Dabbelt
2017-06-28 18:55     ` Palmer Dabbelt
2017-06-28 18:55       ` Palmer Dabbelt
2017-06-28 18:55     ` [PATCH 5/9] RISC-V: Task implementation Palmer Dabbelt
2017-06-28 18:55       ` Palmer Dabbelt
2017-06-28 23:32       ` James Hogan
2017-06-28 23:32         ` James Hogan
2017-06-29 22:52         ` Palmer Dabbelt
2017-06-29 22:52           ` Palmer Dabbelt
2017-06-29  8:22       ` Tobias Klauser
2017-06-29 22:52         ` Palmer Dabbelt
2017-06-29 22:52           ` Palmer Dabbelt
2017-06-28 18:55     ` Palmer Dabbelt
2017-06-28 18:55     ` [PATCH 6/9] RISC-V: Device, timer, IRQs, and the SBI Palmer Dabbelt
2017-06-28 18:55       ` Palmer Dabbelt
2017-06-29  8:39       ` Tobias Klauser
2017-06-29 22:52         ` Palmer Dabbelt
2017-06-29 22:52           ` Palmer Dabbelt
2017-06-30  7:57           ` Tobias Klauser
2017-06-28 18:55     ` [PATCH 7/9] RISC-V: Paging and MMU Palmer Dabbelt
2017-06-28 18:55       ` Palmer Dabbelt
2017-06-28 23:09       ` James Hogan
2017-06-28 23:09         ` James Hogan
2017-06-29 22:11         ` Palmer Dabbelt
2017-06-29 22:11           ` Palmer Dabbelt
2017-06-28 18:55     ` Palmer Dabbelt
2017-06-28 18:55     ` [PATCH 8/9] RISC-V: User-facing API Palmer Dabbelt
2017-06-28 18:55       ` Palmer Dabbelt
2017-06-28 21:49       ` Thomas Gleixner
2017-06-28 21:52         ` Thomas Gleixner
2017-06-29 17:22         ` Palmer Dabbelt
2017-06-29 17:22           ` Palmer Dabbelt
2017-06-28 22:42       ` James Hogan
2017-06-28 22:42         ` James Hogan
2017-06-29 21:42         ` Palmer Dabbelt
2017-06-29 21:42           ` Palmer Dabbelt
2017-07-03 23:06           ` James Hogan
2017-07-03 23:06             ` James Hogan
2017-07-05 16:49             ` Palmer Dabbelt
2017-07-05 16:49               ` Palmer Dabbelt
2017-06-28 18:55     ` [PATCH 9/9] RISC-V: Build Infastructure Palmer Dabbelt
2017-06-28 18:55       ` Palmer Dabbelt
2017-06-28 21:05       ` Karsten Merker
2017-06-28 21:13         ` Palmer Dabbelt
2017-06-28 21:13           ` Palmer Dabbelt
2017-06-28 21:25       ` James Hogan
2017-06-28 21:25         ` James Hogan
2017-06-29 16:29         ` Palmer Dabbelt
2017-06-29 16:29           ` Palmer Dabbelt
2017-06-28 22:54       ` James Hogan
2017-06-28 22:54         ` James Hogan
2017-06-29 22:11         ` Palmer Dabbelt
2017-06-29 22:11           ` Palmer Dabbelt
2017-06-06 22:59 ` RISC-V Linux Port v2 Palmer Dabbelt
2017-06-07  7:29 ` David Howells
2017-06-07 21:54   ` Palmer Dabbelt
2017-06-07 21:54     ` Palmer Dabbelt
2017-06-07 21:54     ` Palmer Dabbelt

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