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From: "Christian König" <christian.koenig@amd.com>
To: Daniel Vetter <daniel.vetter@ffwll.ch>
Cc: Thomas Hellstrom <thellstrom@vmware.com>,
	Thomas Zimmermann <tzimmermann@suse.de>,
	dri-devel <dri-devel@lists.freedesktop.org>,
	Gerd Hoffmann <kraxel@redhat.com>
Subject: Re: locking&resource refcounting for ttm_bo_kmap/dma_buf_vmap
Date: Wed, 20 Nov 2019 13:24:42 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <151e7f35-6e47-ca6e-7ca3-9f617c1addbe@amd.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <CAKMK7uG5FXtVqMoDZPd_MwLpONgxeSEudnCM_zdTLmqz1bJtDw@mail.gmail.com>

Am 20.11.19 um 13:19 schrieb Daniel Vetter:
> On Wed, Nov 20, 2019 at 1:09 PM Daniel Vetter <daniel.vetter@ffwll.ch> wrote:
>> On Wed, Nov 20, 2019 at 1:02 PM Christian König
>> <christian.koenig@amd.com> wrote:
>>>> What am I missing?
>>> The assumption is that when you want to create a vmap of a DMA-buf
>>> buffer the buffer needs to be pinned somehow.
>>>
>>> E.g. without dynamic dma-buf handling you would need to have an active
>>> attachment. With dynamic handling the requirements could be lowered to
>>> using the pin()/unpin() callbacks.
>> Yeah right now everyone seems to have an attachment, and that's how we
>> get away with all this. But the interface isn't supposed to work like
>> that, dma_buf_vmap/unmap is supposed to be a stand-alone thing (you
>> can call it directly on the struct dma_buf, no need for an
>> attachment). Also I don't think non-dynamic drivers should ever call
>> pin/unpin, not their job, holding onto a mapping should be enough to
>> get things pinned.
>>
>>> You also can't lock/unlock inside your vmap callback because you don't
>>> have any guarantee that the pointer stays valid as soon as your drop
>>> your lock.
>> Well that's why I asked where the pin/unpin pair is. If you lock&pin,
>> then you do know that the pointer will stay around. But looks like the
>> original patch from Dave for ttm based drivers played fast&loose here
>> with what should be done.
>>
>>> BTW: What is vmap() still used for?
>> udl, bunch of other things (e.g. bunch of tiny drivers). Not much, but
>> not stuff we can drop.
> If we're unlucky we'll actually have a problem with these now. For
> some of these the attached device is not dma-capable, so dma_map_sg
> will go boom. With the cached mapping logic we now have this might go
> sideways for dynamic exporters. Did you test your dynamic dma-buf
> support for amdgpu with udl?

Short answer no, not at all. Long one: What the heck is udl? And how is 
it not dma-capable?

> Worst case we need to get rid of the fake
> attachment, fix the vmap locking/pinning, and maybe some more
> headaches to sort this out.

Well of hand we could require that vmap will also pin a DMA-buf and 
start fixing amgpu/nouveau/radeon/qxl.

Christian.

> -Daniel
>
>
>> -Daniel
>>
>>> Regards,
>>> Christian.
>>>
>>> Am 20.11.19 um 12:47 schrieb Daniel Vetter:
>>>> Hi all,
>>>>
>>>> I've been looking at dma_buf_v(un)map, with a goal to standardize
>>>> locking for at least dynamic dma-buf exporters/importers, most likely
>>>> by requiring dma_resv_lock. And I got questions around how this is
>>>> supposed to work, since a big chunk of drivers seem to entirely lack
>>>> locking around ttm_bo_kmap. Two big ones:
>>>>
>>>> - ttm_bo_kmap looks at bo->mem to figure out what/where to kmap to get
>>>> at that buffer. bo->mem is supposed to be protected with
>>>> dma_resv_lock, but at least amgpu/nouveau/radeon/qxl don't grab that
>>>> in their prime vmap function.
>>>>
>>>> - between the vmap and vunmap something needs to make sure the backing
>>>> storage doesn't move around. I didn't find that either anywhere,
>>>> ttm_bo_kmap simply seems to set up the mapping, leaving locking and
>>>> refcounting to callers.
>>>>
>>>> - vram helpers have at least locking, but I'm still missing the
>>>> refcounting. vmwgfx doesn't bother with vmap.
>>>>
>>>> What am I missing?
>>>>
>>>> Thanks, Daniel
>>
>> --
>> Daniel Vetter
>> Software Engineer, Intel Corporation
>> +41 (0) 79 365 57 48 - http://blog.ffwll.ch
>
>

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  reply	other threads:[~2019-11-20 12:24 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 9+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2019-11-20 11:47 locking&resource refcounting for ttm_bo_kmap/dma_buf_vmap Daniel Vetter
2019-11-20 12:02 ` Christian König
2019-11-20 12:09   ` Daniel Vetter
2019-11-20 12:19     ` Daniel Vetter
2019-11-20 12:24       ` Christian König [this message]
2019-11-20 12:40         ` Daniel Vetter
2019-11-20 13:36         ` Thomas Hellstrom
2019-11-21  7:59 ` Thomas Zimmermann
2019-11-21  8:43   ` Daniel Vetter

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