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From: Wolfgang Denk <wd@denx.de>
To: Sean Anderson <seanga2@gmail.com>
Cc: u-boot@lists.denx.de, "Tom Rini" <trini@konsulko.com>,
	"Marek Behún" <marek.behun@nic.cz>,
	"Simon Glass" <sjg@chromium.org>,
	"Roland Gaudig" <roland.gaudig-oss@weidmueller.com>,
	"Heinrich Schuchardt" <xypron.glpk@gmx.de>,
	"Kostas Michalopoulos" <badsector@runtimeterror.com>
Subject: Re: [RFC PATCH 02/28] cli: Add LIL shell
Date: Sat, 03 Jul 2021 21:23:10 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <16737.1625340190@gemini.denx.de> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <c8e20c0c-bcf0-4692-6a8b-0c4ea970b656@gmail.com>

Dear Sean,

In message <c8e20c0c-bcf0-4692-6a8b-0c4ea970b656@gmail.com> you wrote:
> > 
> > Do you have a list of the exact differencec between LIL and a
> > standard shell?
>
> For a partial list, see
>
> [1] https://github.com/Forty-Bot/lil/commits/master

Hm, this list of commits is not exactly helpful, I'm afraid.

Where _exactly_ should I look?

> > I wonder, if we deviate from standard shell syntax anyway, we could
> > also have a look at lua, for example?
>
> I also looked at lua (see the cover letter), but I rejected it based on
> size constraints (eLua was around the size of U-Boot itself).

I have to admit that I never tried myself to build a lua based
system, optimizing for minimal size - but I'm surprised by your
results.

> Because of how often the shell is used to debug things, I wanted the
> candidate I picked to have similar syntax to the existing shell. For
> example,
>
> 	load mmc ${mmcdev}:${mmcpart} $loadaddr $image
>
> is a valid command in both Hush and LIL. Compare with lua, which might
> express the above as

Yes, I'm aware of this.  But then, it would add another level of
powerful scripting capabilities - and as it was already suggested
before, _replacing_ the standard shell is only one way to use lua -
another would be to use lua as a command that can be started from
the shell when needed - assuming you want to pay the price in terms
of size.

Best regards,

Wolfgang Denk

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  parent reply	other threads:[~2021-07-03 19:23 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 107+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2021-07-01  6:15 [RFC PATCH 00/28] cli: Add a new shell Sean Anderson
2021-07-01  6:15 ` [RFC PATCH 01/28] Add Zlib License Sean Anderson
2021-07-05 15:29   ` Simon Glass
2021-07-01  6:15 ` [RFC PATCH 02/28] cli: Add LIL shell Sean Anderson
2021-07-02 11:03   ` Wolfgang Denk
2021-07-02 13:33     ` Sean Anderson
2021-07-03  2:12       ` Sean Anderson
2021-07-03 19:33         ` Wolfgang Denk
2021-07-05 15:29           ` Simon Glass
2021-07-05 19:10           ` Tom Rini
2021-07-05 19:47             ` Sean Anderson
2021-07-05 19:53               ` Tom Rini
2021-07-05 19:55                 ` Sean Anderson
2021-07-06  7:46               ` Wolfgang Denk
2021-07-06  7:52                 ` Michael Nazzareno Trimarchi
2021-07-06 14:57                   ` Simon Glass
2021-07-06 15:48                     ` Tom Rini
2021-07-07  8:22                     ` Michael Nazzareno Trimarchi
2021-07-06 14:54                 ` Tom Rini
2021-07-07  8:15                   ` Wolfgang Denk
2021-07-07 13:58                     ` Tom Rini
2021-07-07 14:10                       ` Wolfgang Denk
2021-07-07 14:14                         ` Tom Rini
2021-07-07 14:23                           ` Wolfgang Denk
2021-07-06  7:44             ` Wolfgang Denk
2021-07-06 15:43               ` Tom Rini
2021-07-06 16:09                 ` Kostas Michalopoulos
2021-07-07 13:32                   ` Sean Anderson
2021-07-07  8:15                 ` Wolfgang Denk
2021-07-07 13:46                   ` Sean Anderson
2021-07-07 13:51                     ` Tom Rini
2021-07-07 13:58                   ` Tom Rini
2021-07-07 14:48                   ` Marek Behun
2021-07-08  5:19                     ` Michael Nazzareno Trimarchi
2021-07-08 15:33                       ` Tom Rini
2021-07-08  4:56               ` Sean Anderson
2021-07-08 17:00                 ` Wolfgang Denk
2021-07-03 19:23       ` Wolfgang Denk [this message]
2021-07-01  6:15 ` [RFC PATCH 03/28] cli: lil: Replace strclone with strdup Sean Anderson
2021-07-02  8:36   ` Rasmus Villemoes
2021-07-02 11:38     ` Wolfgang Denk
2021-07-02 13:38     ` Sean Anderson
2021-07-02 14:28       ` Tom Rini
2021-07-02 22:18       ` Kostas Michalopoulos
2021-07-03  2:28         ` Sean Anderson
2021-07-03 19:26       ` Wolfgang Denk
2021-07-05  5:07         ` Steve Bennett
2021-07-05 14:42           ` Sean Anderson
2021-07-05 15:29             ` Simon Glass
2021-07-05 15:42               ` Sean Anderson
2021-07-05 17:50             ` Wolfgang Denk
2021-07-08  4:37               ` Sean Anderson
2021-07-08 16:13                 ` Wolfgang Denk
2021-07-01  6:15 ` [RFC PATCH 04/28] cli: lil: Remove most functions by default Sean Anderson
2021-07-05 15:29   ` Simon Glass
2021-07-01  6:15 ` [RFC PATCH 05/28] cli: lil: Rename some functions to be more like TCL Sean Anderson
2021-07-05 15:29   ` Simon Glass
2021-07-05 15:54     ` Sean Anderson
2021-07-05 17:58       ` Wolfgang Denk
2021-07-05 18:51         ` Tom Rini
2021-07-05 21:02           ` Simon Glass
2021-07-05 21:36             ` Tom Rini
2021-07-06  7:52           ` Wolfgang Denk
2021-07-06 15:21             ` Simon Glass
2021-07-06 15:33             ` Tom Rini
2021-07-06 16:00               ` Kostas Michalopoulos
2021-07-07  8:16               ` Wolfgang Denk
2021-07-07 13:58                 ` Tom Rini
2021-07-05 19:46         ` Sean Anderson
2021-07-06  7:50           ` Wolfgang Denk
2021-07-08  4:47             ` Sean Anderson
2021-07-08 16:21               ` Wolfgang Denk
2021-07-01  6:15 ` [RFC PATCH 06/28] cli: lil: Convert some defines to enums Sean Anderson
2021-07-01  6:15 ` [RFC PATCH 07/28] cli: lil: Simplify callbacks Sean Anderson
2021-07-01  6:15 ` [RFC PATCH 08/28] cli: lil: Handle commands with dots Sean Anderson
2021-07-01  6:15 ` [RFC PATCH 09/28] cli: lil: Use error codes Sean Anderson
2021-07-01  6:15 ` [RFC PATCH 10/28] cli: lil: Add printf-style format helper for errors Sean Anderson
2021-07-01  6:15 ` [RFC PATCH 11/28] cli: lil: Add several helper functions " Sean Anderson
2021-07-01  6:15 ` [RFC PATCH 12/28] cli: lil: Check for ctrl-c Sean Anderson
2021-07-05 15:29   ` Simon Glass
2021-07-01  6:15 ` [RFC PATCH 13/28] cli: lil: Wire up LIL to the rest of U-Boot Sean Anderson
2021-07-02  8:18   ` Rasmus Villemoes
2021-07-02 13:40     ` Sean Anderson
2021-07-05 15:29   ` Simon Glass
2021-07-01  6:15 ` [RFC PATCH 14/28] cli: lil: Document structures Sean Anderson
2021-07-01  6:15 ` [RFC PATCH 15/28] cli: lil: Convert LIL_ENABLE_POOLS to Kconfig Sean Anderson
2021-07-01  6:15 ` [RFC PATCH 16/28] cli: lil: Convert LIL_ENABLE_RECLIMIT to KConfig Sean Anderson
2021-07-01  6:16 ` [RFC PATCH 17/28] test: Add tests for LIL Sean Anderson
2021-07-05 15:29   ` Simon Glass
2021-07-01  6:16 ` [RFC PATCH 18/28] cli: lil: Remove duplicate function bodies Sean Anderson
2021-07-01  6:16 ` [RFC PATCH 19/28] cli: lil: Add "symbol" structure Sean Anderson
2021-07-01  6:16 ` [RFC PATCH 20/28] cli: lil: Add config to enable debug output Sean Anderson
2021-07-01  6:16 ` [RFC PATCH 21/28] cli: lil: Add a distinct parsing step Sean Anderson
2021-07-01  6:16 ` [RFC PATCH 22/28] env: Add a priv pointer to hwalk_r Sean Anderson
2021-07-01 20:10   ` Tom Rini
2021-07-01  6:16 ` [RFC PATCH 23/28] cli: lil: Handle OOM for hm_put Sean Anderson
2021-07-01  6:16 ` [RFC PATCH 24/28] cli: lil: Make proc always take 3 arguments Sean Anderson
2021-07-01  6:16 ` [RFC PATCH 25/28] cli: lil: Always quote items in lil_list_to_value Sean Anderson
2021-07-01  6:16 ` [RFC PATCH 26/28] cli: lil: Allocate len even when str is NULL in alloc_value_len Sean Anderson
2021-07-01  6:16 ` [RFC PATCH 27/28] cli: lil: Add a function to quote values Sean Anderson
2021-07-01  6:16 ` [RFC PATCH 28/28] cli: lil: Load procs from the environment Sean Anderson
2021-07-01 20:21 ` [RFC PATCH 00/28] cli: Add a new shell Tom Rini
2021-07-02 11:30   ` Wolfgang Denk
2021-07-02 13:56     ` Sean Anderson
2021-07-02 14:07   ` Sean Anderson
2021-07-08  3:49 ` Heiko Schocher
2021-07-08  4:26   ` Sean Anderson

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