From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.0 (2014-02-07) on aws-us-west-2-korg-lkml-1.web.codeaurora.org Received: from vger.kernel.org (vger.kernel.org [23.128.96.18]) by smtp.lore.kernel.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C9C53C433FE for ; Sun, 5 Dec 2021 14:08:06 +0000 (UTC) Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org via listexpand id S234747AbhLEOLc (ORCPT ); Sun, 5 Dec 2021 09:11:32 -0500 Received: from sender2-pp-o92.zoho.com.cn ([163.53.93.251]:25335 "EHLO sender2-pp-o92.zoho.com.cn" rhost-flags-OK-OK-OK-OK) by vger.kernel.org with ESMTP id S234681AbhLEOLc (ORCPT ); Sun, 5 Dec 2021 09:11:32 -0500 ARC-Seal: i=1; a=rsa-sha256; t=1638713205; cv=none; d=zoho.com.cn; s=zohoarc; b=Pjh04aKkpVNie8eXie7ArqZYcveJ6yO9/4vbA9WsBvgt/JsBHCkXdbmwGTiKUzM2y+yV6BewgiE2ockRb68kt8K+mpKnKImneTl2/DKhcbhc44+iiYkcxA+kICNsSa5KtUfceR9MswgpY2ECxILmE5YuASdoh0ithyO2+UGPUGI= ARC-Message-Signature: i=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=zoho.com.cn; s=zohoarc; t=1638713205; h=Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Cc:Date:From:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Message-ID:Reply-To:References:Subject:To; bh=WnJnhhs1cbnIWKL9y83KTn2rqy7va24PIvxGY6Xuyzc=; b=IMvvACGa3zW0ts56hwYy1RIIBPjZ+WaKoC4XosdVvkRKCXGkOXY4NmaxFa6qi6UpBM3ewgtpAC75C+NSNtVMz5nn7AOs7Poi+oFr0tbWD/l4zmFJTTeNspzziBV0cmbTf/XX/b1n0Z12la0/IVupcHEafbMR2x4akGFhN1Q3+hQ= ARC-Authentication-Results: i=1; mx.zoho.com.cn; dkim=pass header.i=mykernel.net; spf=pass smtp.mailfrom=cgxu519@mykernel.net; dmarc=pass header.from= DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; t=1638713205; s=zohomail; d=mykernel.net; i=cgxu519@mykernel.net; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:Message-ID:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; bh=WnJnhhs1cbnIWKL9y83KTn2rqy7va24PIvxGY6Xuyzc=; b=cScm90w9au9fBHlByU7rncxL05tpuy46N5Gm3jac7Ii2AW6VBwimc3c3BM8cyDC4 8PkNQxoR+0u8tcZnelC6jRRO/UM9UWJmKxUGNAvcB6SGgRXi60/ASz5JaO4jBUTXhdZ zHY6aajjBdFKUmqyEHUUGPe7oMMXzMeTBuhNscHk= Received: from mail.baihui.com by mx.zoho.com.cn with SMTP id 1638713203144575.728615583318; Sun, 5 Dec 2021 22:06:43 +0800 (CST) Date: Sun, 05 Dec 2021 22:06:43 +0800 From: Chengguang Xu Reply-To: cgxu519@mykernel.net To: "Amir Goldstein" Cc: "Jan Kara" , "linux-fsdevel" , "overlayfs" , "linux-kernel" , "ronyjin" , "charliecgxu" , "Vivek Goyal" , "Miklos Szeredi" Message-ID: <17d8aeb19ac.f22523af26365.6531629287230366441@mykernel.net> In-Reply-To: References: <20211118112315.GD13047@quack2.suse.cz> <17d32ecf46e.124314f8f672.8832559275193368959@mykernel.net> <20211118164349.GB8267@quack2.suse.cz> <17d36d37022.1227b6f102736.1047689367927335302@mykernel.net> <20211130112206.GE7174@quack2.suse.cz> <17d719b79f9.d89bf95117881.5882353172682156775@mykernel.net> <17d73da701b.e571c37220081.6904057835107693340@mykernel.net> <17d74b08dcd.c0e94e6320632.9167792887632811518@mykernel.net> <20211201134610.GA1815@quack2.suse.cz> <17d76cf59ee.12f4517f122167.2687299278423224602@mykernel.net> Subject: Re: [RFC PATCH v5 06/10] ovl: implement overlayfs' ->write_inode operation MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Importance: Medium User-Agent: ZohoCN Mail X-Mailer: ZohoCN Mail Precedence: bulk List-ID: X-Mailing-List: linux-unionfs@vger.kernel.org ---- =E5=9C=A8 =E6=98=9F=E6=9C=9F=E5=9B=9B, 2021-12-02 06:47:25 Amir Golds= tein =E6=92=B0=E5=86=99 ---- > On Wed, Dec 1, 2021 at 6:24 PM Chengguang Xu wrot= e: > > > > ---- =E5=9C=A8 =E6=98=9F=E6=9C=9F=E4=B8=89, 2021-12-01 21:46:10 Jan K= ara =E6=92=B0=E5=86=99 ---- > > > On Wed 01-12-21 09:19:17, Amir Goldstein wrote: > > > > On Wed, Dec 1, 2021 at 8:31 AM Chengguang Xu wrote: > > > > > So the final solution to handle all the concerns looks like acc= urately > > > > > mark overlay inode diry on modification and re-mark dirty only = for > > > > > mmaped file in ->write_inode(). > > > > > > > > > > Hi Miklos, Jan > > > > > > > > > > Will you agree with new proposal above? > > > > > > > > > > > > > Maybe you can still pull off a simpler version by remarking dirty= only > > > > writably mmapped upper AND inode_is_open_for_write(upper)? > > > > > > Well, if inode is writeably mapped, it must be also open for write,= doesn't > > > it? The VMA of the mapping will hold file open. So remarking overla= y inode > > > dirty during writeback while inode_is_open_for_write(upper) looks l= ike > > > reasonably easy and presumably there won't be that many inodes open= for > > > writing for this to become big overhead? >=20 > I think it should be ok and a good tradeoff of complexity vs. performanc= e. IMO, mark dirtiness on write is relatively simple, so I think we can mark t= he=20 overlayfs inode dirty during real write behavior and only remark writable m= map unconditionally in ->write_inode(). >=20 > > > > > > > If I am not mistaken, if you always mark overlay inode dirty on o= vl_flush() > > > > of FMODE_WRITE file, there is nothing that can make upper inode d= irty > > > > after last close (if upper is not mmaped), so one more inode sync= should > > > > be enough. No? > > > > > > But we still need to catch other dirtying events like timestamp upd= ates, > > > truncate(2) etc. to mark overlay inode dirty. Not sure how reliably= that > > > can be done... > > > >=20 > Oh yeh, we have those as well :) > All those cases should be covered by ovl_copyattr() that updates the > ovl inode ctime/mtime, so always dirty in ovl_copyattr() should be good. Currently ovl_copyattr() does not cover all the cases, so I think we still = need to carefully check all the places of calling mnt_want_write(). Thanks, Chengguang > I *think* the only case of ovl_copyattr() that should not dirty is in > ovl_inode_init(), so need some special helper there. >=20 > > > > To be honest I even don't fully understand what's the ->flush() logic = in overlayfs. > > Why should we open new underlying file when calling ->flush()? > > Is it still correct in the case of opening lower layer first then copy= -uped case? > > >=20 > The semantics of flush() are far from being uniform across filesystems. > most local filesystems do nothing on close. > most network fs only flush dirty data when a writer closes a file > but not when a reader closes a file. > It is hard to imagine that applications rely on flush-on-close of > rdonly fd behavior and I agree that flushing only if original fd was upp= er > makes more sense, so I am not sure if it is really essential for > overlayfs to open an upper rdonly fd just to do whatever the upper fs > would have done on close of rdonly fd, but maybe there is no good > reason to change this behavior either. >=20 > Thanks, > Amir. >=20