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From: "Paul E. McKenney" <paulmck@kernel.org>
To: Steven Rostedt <rostedt@goodmis.org>
Cc: Joel Fernandes <joel@joelfernandes.org>,
	Yan Zhai <yan@cloudflare.com>, Eric Dumazet <edumazet@google.com>,
	netdev@vger.kernel.org, "David S. Miller" <davem@davemloft.net>,
	Jakub Kicinski <kuba@kernel.org>, Paolo Abeni <pabeni@redhat.com>,
	Jiri Pirko <jiri@resnulli.us>, Simon Horman <horms@kernel.org>,
	Daniel Borkmann <daniel@iogearbox.net>,
	Lorenzo Bianconi <lorenzo@kernel.org>,
	Coco Li <lixiaoyan@google.com>, Wei Wang <weiwan@google.com>,
	Alexander Duyck <alexanderduyck@fb.com>,
	Hannes Frederic Sowa <hannes@stressinduktion.org>,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, rcu@vger.kernel.org,
	bpf@vger.kernel.org, kernel-team@cloudflare.com,
	mark.rutland@arm.com,
	Alexei Starovoitov <alexei.starovoitov@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [PATCH] net: raise RCU qs after each threaded NAPI poll
Date: Wed, 28 Feb 2024 14:49:15 -0800	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <1880cb02-d259-46d8-b4f7-0b3e2e0f0745@paulmck-laptop> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20240228173307.529d11ee@gandalf.local.home>

On Wed, Feb 28, 2024 at 05:33:07PM -0500, Steven Rostedt wrote:
> On Wed, 28 Feb 2024 14:19:11 -0800
> "Paul E. McKenney" <paulmck@kernel.org> wrote:
> 
> > > > 
> > > > Well, to your initial point, cond_resched() does eventually invoke
> > > > preempt_schedule_common(), so you are quite correct that as far as
> > > > Tasks RCU is concerned, cond_resched() is not a quiescent state.  
> > > 
> > >  Thanks for confirming. :-)  
> > 
> > However, given that the current Tasks RCU use cases wait for trampolines
> > to be evacuated, Tasks RCU could make the choice that cond_resched()
> > be a quiescent state, for example, by adjusting rcu_all_qs() and
> > .rcu_urgent_qs accordingly.
> > 
> > But this seems less pressing given the chance that cond_resched() might
> > go away in favor of lazy preemption.
> 
> Although cond_resched() is technically a "preemption point" and not truly a
> voluntary schedule, I would be happy to state that it's not allowed to be
> called from trampolines, or their callbacks. Now the question is, does BPF
> programs ever call cond_resched()? I don't think they do.

Nor do I, but I too must defer to Alexei.  ;-)

> [ Added Alexei ]

The other issue with making cond_resched() be a Tasks RCU quiescent
state is that the CONFIG_PREEMPTION=y version of cond_resched() would
need to stop being a complete no-op.  Which actually might be OK.

							Thanx, Paul

  parent reply	other threads:[~2024-02-28 22:49 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 47+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2024-02-27 15:44 [PATCH] net: raise RCU qs after each threaded NAPI poll Yan Zhai
2024-02-27 16:44 ` Eric Dumazet
2024-02-27 18:32   ` Paul E. McKenney
2024-02-27 21:22     ` Yan Zhai
2024-02-27 22:58       ` Paul E. McKenney
2024-02-28  3:10     ` Jakub Kicinski
2024-02-28  4:42       ` Paul E. McKenney
2024-02-28 14:43         ` Jakub Kicinski
2024-02-28 15:15           ` Paul E. McKenney
2024-02-28 15:35             ` Jakub Kicinski
2024-02-28 15:57               ` Yan Zhai
2024-02-28 11:50     ` Toke Høiland-Jørgensen
2024-02-28 15:10       ` Paul E. McKenney
2024-02-28 15:48         ` Yan Zhai
2024-02-28 17:47           ` Paul E. McKenney
2024-02-28 15:37     ` Joel Fernandes
2024-02-28 16:37       ` Yan Zhai
2024-02-28 17:18         ` Paul E. McKenney
2024-02-28 20:14           ` Joel Fernandes
2024-02-28 21:13             ` Paul E. McKenney
2024-02-28 21:27               ` Joel Fernandes
2024-02-28 21:52                 ` Paul E. McKenney
2024-02-28 22:10                   ` Joel Fernandes
2024-02-28 22:19                     ` Paul E. McKenney
2024-02-28 22:33                       ` Steven Rostedt
2024-02-28 22:48                         ` Alexei Starovoitov
2024-02-28 22:58                           ` Paul E. McKenney
2024-02-29 14:21                             ` Joel Fernandes
2024-02-29 16:57                               ` Paul E. McKenney
2024-02-29 17:41                                 ` Joel Fernandes
2024-02-29 18:29                                   ` Paul E. McKenney
2024-03-02  2:24                                     ` Joel Fernandes
2024-03-03  0:25                                       ` Paul E. McKenney
2024-03-03  1:01                                         ` Joel Fernandes
2024-03-04  9:16                                           ` Joel Fernandes
2024-03-05 17:53                                             ` Paul E. McKenney
2024-03-05 19:57                                               ` Mark Rutland
2024-03-05 21:52                                                 ` Paul E. McKenney
2024-03-06 16:56                                               ` Steven Rostedt
2024-03-07 16:57                                             ` Mark Rutland
2024-03-07 18:34                                               ` Mark Rutland
2024-03-07 18:52                                               ` Steven Rostedt
2024-03-07 18:58                                                 ` Paul E. McKenney
2024-03-04  9:16                                           ` Joel Fernandes
2024-02-28 22:49                         ` Paul E. McKenney [this message]
2024-02-27 21:17   ` Yan Zhai
2024-02-28 23:53   ` Yan Zhai

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