From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org via listexpand id S933305Ab3GVV33 (ORCPT ); Mon, 22 Jul 2013 17:29:29 -0400 Received: from mailout1.w2.samsung.com ([211.189.100.11]:15939 "EHLO usmailout1.samsung.com" rhost-flags-OK-OK-OK-OK) by vger.kernel.org with ESMTP id S932623Ab3GVV3Y convert rfc822-to-8bit (ORCPT ); Mon, 22 Jul 2013 17:29:24 -0400 X-AuditID: cbfec37c-b7f166d000004b4e-e0-51eda432a9b4 From: Daniel Phillips To: "Luck, Tony" Cc: Sarah Sharp , CAI Qian , Greg Kroah-Hartman , Darren Hart , Linux Kernel Mailing List , "ksummit-2013-discuss@lists.linux-foundation.org" , stable , Thomas Gleixner , Linus Torvalds , Ingo Molnar Subject: Re: [Ksummit-2013-discuss] Maybe it's time to shut this thread down (Was: Re: [ 00/19] 3.10.1-stable review) Thread-topic: [Ksummit-2013-discuss] Maybe it's time to shut this thread down (Was: Re: [ 00/19] 3.10.1-stable review) Thread-index: Ac6FkRCisDb5r2eeQr+ZSZ5Wfl77ZQ== Date: Mon, 22 Jul 2013 21:29:21 +0000 Message-id: <1EC23D2B9975384993D85B5DB93AAE8861B407@sisaex01sj> References: <20130715184642.GE15531@xanatos> <20130715195316.GF15531@xanatos> <1368728064.2419741.1374117402465.JavaMail.root@redhat.com> <1374119254.6458.220.camel@gandalf.local.home> <305037674.2433057.1374120078349.JavaMail.root@redhat.com> <20130718132327.GB30405@thunk.org> <20130718133008.GC30405@thunk.org> <20130718155428.GB5440@xanatos> <1EC23D2B9975384993D85B5DB93AAE8861AA4D@sisaex01sj> <3908561D78D1C84285E8C5FCA982C28F31C98E12@ORSMSX106.amr.corp.intel.com> Accept-Language: en-US Content-language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: X-Originating-IP: [105.144.21.63] Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 8BIT MIME-version: 1.0 X-Brightmail-Tracker: H4sIAAAAAAAAA+NgFtrFIsWRmVeSWpSXmKPExsVy+t9hX12jJW8DDboXmlp07jrKanHnsIZF 8+L1bBazJ8xjtbi8aw6bxep/pxgtmk+cYrZYsPERo8XmTVOZLd5cuMdi8ajvLbsDt8fiPS+Z PDat6mTzeHfuHLvHiRm/WTzmnQz02D93DbvH5BvLGT3e77vK5vF5k1wAZxSXTUpqTmZZapG+ XQJXxo4tfSwFs9kr5jQdYm1gfMraxcjJISFgIvF45n42CFtM4sK99UA2F4eQwDJGiZVXjoEV CQn0Mkl8vpAOkZjPKHHi/GF2kASbgJnE0uNnmEBsEQE1iUuLHzCDFDELvGSWOLfvFTNIQlig XGLKvS5GiKIKiRXXfrNB2HoSDx9tBdvAIqAqcXHadDCbV8Be4vy+81BnbGGV+HhkEgtIghHo vu+n1oBtYxYQl2huvckCcbeAxJI955khbFGJl4//AQ3iALIVJbavtoIo15JYv/M4VKu2xJN3 F6B2CUr8mHyPZQKj2CwkU2chaZmFpGUWkpYFjCyrGMVKi5MLipPSUyuM9YoTc4tL89L1kvNz NzFC4rtmB+O9rzaHGAU4GJV4eBf4vg0UYk0sK67MPcQowcGsJMK7UQ8oxJuSWFmVWpQfX1Sa k1p8iJGJg1OqgVEpXtWtTPMB94qbnF8Dkx0FUk2X3H0cvN6SUdRm2zSBnmWOGn8vWWptec2y 9vGiz55e80y+/7T/HTB1e8eHFdPe3eqYKGzX/Tnv86GrsxlDZY+6qXs0lzsdT3iQlK3098NZ ta5EhdlOcx8u3/p13hSN/czPQxsXyib6v1cU/6AeuWSFzFfu29+VWIozEg21mIuKEwEjJRLU zQIAAA== Sender: linux-kernel-owner@vger.kernel.org List-ID: X-Mailing-List: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org On 07/22/2013 09:02 PM, Luck, Tony wrote: > Some thoughts on the format of the discussion at KS: > > ... > 5) Volunteers are under-represented at Kernel Summit Volunteers are the "dark matter" of Linux Kernel contribution. They are not the "usual suspects" who nearly all have full time jobs now, allowing them the time investment to raise their profile sufficiently to gain a place at the KS round table. They may not be very vocal. They are most probably the first to depart for more pleasant pastures when the interaction becomes less than fun. In part because they do not have an employer who requires them to stay engaged no matter what. How do we represent the viewpoint of volunteers? Which for many of us is a former life, the memory of which may be starting to fade. Regards, Daniel From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: From: Daniel Phillips To: "Luck, Tony" Cc: Sarah Sharp , CAI Qian , Greg Kroah-Hartman , Darren Hart , Linux Kernel Mailing List , "ksummit-2013-discuss@lists.linux-foundation.org" , stable , Thomas Gleixner , Linus Torvalds , Ingo Molnar Subject: Re: [Ksummit-2013-discuss] Maybe it's time to shut this thread down (Was: Re: [ 00/19] 3.10.1-stable review) Date: Mon, 22 Jul 2013 21:29:21 +0000 Message-id: <1EC23D2B9975384993D85B5DB93AAE8861B407@sisaex01sj> References: <20130715184642.GE15531@xanatos> <20130715195316.GF15531@xanatos> <1368728064.2419741.1374117402465.JavaMail.root@redhat.com> <1374119254.6458.220.camel@gandalf.local.home> <305037674.2433057.1374120078349.JavaMail.root@redhat.com> <20130718132327.GB30405@thunk.org> <20130718133008.GC30405@thunk.org> <20130718155428.GB5440@xanatos> <1EC23D2B9975384993D85B5DB93AAE8861AA4D@sisaex01sj> <3908561D78D1C84285E8C5FCA982C28F31C98E12@ORSMSX106.amr.corp.intel.com> Content-language: en-US Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 8BIT MIME-version: 1.0 Sender: linux-kernel-owner@vger.kernel.org List-ID: On 07/22/2013 09:02 PM, Luck, Tony wrote: > Some thoughts on the format of the discussion at KS: > > ... > 5) Volunteers are under-represented at Kernel Summit Volunteers are the "dark matter" of Linux Kernel contribution. They are not the "usual suspects" who nearly all have full time jobs now, allowing them the time investment to raise their profile sufficiently to gain a place at the KS round table. They may not be very vocal. They are most probably the first to depart for more pleasant pastures when the interaction becomes less than fun. In part because they do not have an employer who requires them to stay engaged no matter what. How do we represent the viewpoint of volunteers? Which for many of us is a former life, the memory of which may be starting to fade. Regards, Daniel