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From: Jeff Layton <jlayton@kernel.org>
To: "J. Bruce Fields" <bfields@fieldses.org>
Cc: Florian Weimer <fweimer@redhat.com>,
	Theodore Ts'o <tytso@mit.edu>, Jan Kara <jack@suse.cz>,
	NeilBrown <neilb@suse.de>,
	adilger.kernel@dilger.ca, djwong@kernel.org, david@fromorbit.com,
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	lczerner@redhat.com, brauner@kernel.org,
	linux-man@vger.kernel.org, linux-api@vger.kernel.org,
	linux-btrfs@vger.kernel.org, linux-fsdevel@vger.kernel.org,
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	linux-ext4@vger.kernel.org, linux-nfs@vger.kernel.org,
	linux-xfs@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [man-pages RFC PATCH v4] statx, inode: document the new STATX_INO_VERSION field
Date: Mon, 12 Sep 2022 10:02:27 -0400	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <1abae98579030d437224ae24f73fffaabb3f64c1.camel@kernel.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20220912135131.GC9304@fieldses.org>

On Mon, 2022-09-12 at 09:51 -0400, J. Bruce Fields wrote:
> On Mon, Sep 12, 2022 at 08:55:04AM -0400, Jeff Layton wrote:
> > Because of the "seen" flag, we have a 63 bit counter to play with. Could
> > we use a similar scheme to the one we use to handle when "jiffies"
> > wraps? Assume that we'd never compare two values that were more than
> > 2^62 apart? We could add i_version_before/i_version_after macros to make
> > it simple to handle this.
> 
> As far as I recall the protocol just assumes it can never wrap.  I guess
> you could add a new change_attr_type that works the way you describe.
> But without some new protocol clients aren't going to know what to do
> with a change attribute that wraps.
> 

Right, I think that's the case now, and with contemporary hardware that
shouldn't ever happen, but in 10 years when we're looking at femtosecond
latencies, could this be different? I don't know.

> I think this just needs to be designed so that wrapping is impossible in
> any realistic scenario.  I feel like that's doable?
> 
> If we feel we have to catch that case, the only 100% correct behavior
> would probably be to make the filesystem readonly.

What would be the recourse at that point? Rebuild the fs from scratch, I
guess?
-- 
Jeff Layton <jlayton@kernel.org>

  reply	other threads:[~2022-09-12 14:02 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 126+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2022-09-07 11:16 [man-pages RFC PATCH v4] statx, inode: document the new STATX_INO_VERSION field Jeff Layton
2022-09-07 11:37 ` NeilBrown
2022-09-07 12:20   ` J. Bruce Fields
2022-09-07 12:58     ` Jeff Layton
2022-09-07 12:47   ` Jeff Layton
2022-09-07 12:52     ` J. Bruce Fields
2022-09-07 13:12       ` Jeff Layton
2022-09-07 13:51         ` Jan Kara
2022-09-07 14:43           ` Jeff Layton
2022-09-08  0:44           ` NeilBrown
2022-09-08  8:33             ` Jan Kara
2022-09-08 15:21               ` Theodore Ts'o
2022-09-08 15:44                 ` J. Bruce Fields
2022-09-08 15:44                 ` Jeff Layton
2022-09-08 15:56                   ` J. Bruce Fields
2022-09-08 16:15                     ` Chuck Lever III
2022-09-08 17:40                     ` Jeff Layton
2022-09-08 18:22                       ` J. Bruce Fields
2022-09-08 19:07                         ` Jeff Layton
2022-09-08 23:01                           ` NeilBrown
2022-09-08 23:23                             ` Jeff Layton
2022-09-08 23:45                               ` NeilBrown
2022-09-09 15:45                           ` J. Bruce Fields
2022-09-09 16:36                             ` Jeff Layton
2022-09-10 14:56                               ` J. Bruce Fields
2022-09-12 11:42                                 ` Jeff Layton
2022-09-12 12:13                                   ` Florian Weimer
2022-09-12 12:55                                     ` Jeff Layton
2022-09-12 13:20                                       ` Florian Weimer
2022-09-12 13:49                                         ` Jeff Layton
2022-09-12 13:51                                       ` J. Bruce Fields
2022-09-12 14:02                                         ` Jeff Layton [this message]
2022-09-12 14:47                                           ` J. Bruce Fields
2022-09-12 14:15                                         ` Trond Myklebust
2022-09-12 14:50                                           ` J. Bruce Fields
2022-09-12 14:56                                             ` Trond Myklebust
2022-09-12 15:32                                               ` Trond Myklebust
2022-09-12 15:49                                                 ` Jeff Layton
2022-09-12 12:54                                   ` J. Bruce Fields
2022-09-12 12:59                                     ` Jeff Layton
2022-09-13  0:29                                   ` John Stoffel
2022-09-13  0:41                                   ` Dave Chinner
2022-09-13  1:49                                     ` NeilBrown
2022-09-13  2:41                                       ` Dave Chinner
2022-09-13  3:30                                         ` NeilBrown
2022-09-13  9:38                                           ` Theodore Ts'o
2022-09-13 19:02                                       ` J. Bruce Fields
2022-09-13 23:19                                         ` NeilBrown
2022-09-14  0:08                                           ` J. Bruce Fields
2022-09-09 20:34                           ` John Stoffel
2022-09-10 22:13                           ` NeilBrown
2022-09-12 10:43                             ` Jeff Layton
2022-09-12 13:42                             ` J. Bruce Fields
2022-09-12 23:14                               ` NeilBrown
2022-09-15 14:06                                 ` J. Bruce Fields
2022-09-15 15:08                                   ` Trond Myklebust
2022-09-15 16:45                                     ` Jeff Layton
2022-09-15 17:49                                       ` Trond Myklebust
2022-09-15 18:11                                         ` Jeff Layton
2022-09-15 19:03                                           ` Trond Myklebust
2022-09-15 19:25                                             ` Jeff Layton
2022-09-15 22:23                                               ` NeilBrown
2022-09-16  6:54                                                 ` Theodore Ts'o
2022-09-16 11:36                                                   ` Jeff Layton
2022-09-16 15:11                                                     ` Jeff Layton
2022-09-18 23:53                                                       ` Dave Chinner
2022-09-19 13:13                                                         ` Jeff Layton
2022-09-20  0:16                                                           ` Dave Chinner
2022-09-20 10:26                                                             ` Jeff Layton
2022-09-21  0:00                                                               ` Dave Chinner
2022-09-21 10:33                                                                 ` Jeff Layton
2022-09-21 21:41                                                                   ` Dave Chinner
2022-09-22 10:18                                                                     ` Jeff Layton
2022-09-22 20:18                                                                       ` Jeff Layton
2022-09-23  9:56                                                                         ` Jan Kara
2022-09-23 10:19                                                                           ` Jeff Layton
2022-09-23 13:44                                                                           ` Trond Myklebust
2022-09-23 13:50                                                                             ` Jeff Layton
2022-09-23 14:58                                                                               ` Frank Filz
2022-09-26 22:43                                                                               ` NeilBrown
2022-09-27 11:14                                                                                 ` Jeff Layton
2022-09-27 13:18                                                                                 ` Jeff Layton
2022-09-15 15:41                                   ` Jeff Layton
2022-09-15 22:42                                     ` NeilBrown
2022-09-16 11:32                                       ` Jeff Layton
2022-09-09 12:11                       ` Theodore Ts'o
2022-09-09 12:47                         ` Jeff Layton
2022-09-09 13:48                           ` Theodore Ts'o
2022-09-09 14:43                             ` Jeff Layton
2022-09-09 14:58                               ` Theodore Ts'o
2022-09-08 22:55                   ` NeilBrown
2022-09-08 23:59                     ` Trond Myklebust
2022-09-09  0:51                       ` NeilBrown
2022-09-09  1:05                         ` Trond Myklebust
2022-09-09  1:07                         ` NeilBrown
2022-09-09  1:10                           ` Trond Myklebust
2022-09-09  2:14                             ` Trond Myklebust
2022-09-09  6:41                               ` NeilBrown
2022-09-10 12:39                                 ` Jeff Layton
2022-09-10 22:53                                   ` NeilBrown
2022-09-12 10:25                                     ` Jeff Layton
2022-09-12 23:29                                       ` NeilBrown
2022-09-13  1:15                                         ` Dave Chinner
2022-09-13  1:41                                           ` NeilBrown
2022-09-13 19:01                                           ` Jeff Layton
2022-09-13 23:24                                             ` NeilBrown
2022-09-14 11:51                                               ` Jeff Layton
2022-09-14 22:45                                                 ` NeilBrown
2022-09-14 23:02                                                   ` NeilBrown
2022-09-08 22:40                 ` NeilBrown
2022-09-07 13:55         ` Trond Myklebust
2022-09-07 14:05           ` Jeff Layton
2022-09-07 15:04             ` Trond Myklebust
2022-09-07 15:11               ` Jeff Layton
2022-09-08  0:40             ` NeilBrown
2022-09-08 11:34               ` Jeff Layton
2022-09-08 22:29                 ` NeilBrown
2022-09-09 11:53                   ` Jeff Layton
2022-09-10 22:58                     ` NeilBrown
2022-09-10 19:46               ` Al Viro
2022-09-10 23:00                 ` NeilBrown
2022-09-08  0:31           ` NeilBrown
2022-09-08  0:41             ` Trond Myklebust
2022-09-08  0:53               ` NeilBrown
2022-09-08 11:37               ` Jeff Layton
2022-09-08 12:40                 ` Trond Myklebust

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