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From: "Austin S. Hemmelgarn" <ahferroin7@gmail.com>
To: Brendan Hide <brendan@swiftspirit.co.za>, linux-btrfs@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: RedHat 7.4 Release Notes: "Btrfs has been deprecated" - wut?
Date: Wed, 2 Aug 2017 07:25:43 -0400	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <1cfc817b-2f35-9ca5-9d6c-ab2c6ec53ba9@gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <84806456-eed9-00b9-b3f6-99e46cefba33@swiftspirit.co.za>

On 2017-08-02 04:38, Brendan Hide wrote:
> The title seems alarmist to me - and I suspect it is going to be 
> misconstrued. :-/
> 
>  From the release notes at 
> https://access.redhat.com/documentation/en-US/Red_Hat_Enterprise_Linux/7/html/7.4_Release_Notes/chap-Red_Hat_Enterprise_Linux-7.4_Release_Notes-Deprecated_Functionality.html 
> 
> 
> "Btrfs has been deprecated
> 
> The Btrfs file system has been in Technology Preview state since the 
> initial release of Red Hat Enterprise Linux 6. Red Hat will not be 
> moving Btrfs to a fully supported feature and it will be removed in a 
> future major release of Red Hat Enterprise Linux.
> 
> The Btrfs file system did receive numerous updates from the upstream in 
> Red Hat Enterprise Linux 7.4 and will remain available in the Red Hat 
> Enterprise Linux 7 series. However, this is the last planned update to 
> this feature.
> 
> Red Hat will continue to invest in future technologies to address the 
> use cases of our customers, specifically those related to snapshots, 
> compression, NVRAM, and ease of use. We encourage feedback through your 
> Red Hat representative on features and requirements you have for file 
> systems and storage technology."

And this is a worst-case result of the fact that most distros added 
BTRFS support long before it was ready.

I'm betting some RH customer lost a lot of data because they didn't pay 
attention to the warnings and didn't do their research and were using 
raid5/6, and thus RH is considering it not worth investing in.  That, or 
they got fed up with the grandiose plans with no realistic timeline. 
There have been a number of cases of mishandled patches (chunk-level 
degraded check anyone?), and a lot of important (from an enterprise 
usage sense) features that have been proposed but to a naive outside 
have seen little to no progress (hot-spare support, device failure 
detection and handling, higher-order replication, working erasure coding 
(raid56), etc), and from both aspects, I can understand them not wanting 
to deal with it.

  parent reply	other threads:[~2017-08-02 11:25 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 63+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2017-08-02  8:38 RedHat 7.4 Release Notes: "Btrfs has been deprecated" - wut? Brendan Hide
2017-08-02  9:11 ` Wang Shilong
2017-08-03 19:18   ` Chris Murphy
2017-08-02 11:25 ` Austin S. Hemmelgarn [this message]
2017-08-02 12:55   ` Lutz Vieweg
2017-08-02 13:47     ` Austin S. Hemmelgarn
2017-08-02 18:44 ` Chris Mason
2017-08-02 22:12   ` Fajar A. Nugraha
2017-08-02 22:22 ` Chris Murphy
2017-08-03  9:59   ` Lutz Vieweg
2017-08-03 18:08 ` waxhead
2017-08-03 18:29   ` Christoph Anton Mitterer
2017-08-03 19:22     ` Austin S. Hemmelgarn
2017-08-03 20:45       ` Brendan Hide
2017-08-03 22:00         ` Chris Murphy
2017-08-04 11:26         ` Austin S. Hemmelgarn
2017-08-03 19:03   ` Austin S. Hemmelgarn
2017-08-04  9:48     ` Duncan
2017-08-16 18:07   ` David Sterba
2017-08-04 14:05 ` Qu Wenruo
2017-08-04 23:55   ` Wang Shilong
2017-08-07 15:27   ` Chris Murphy
2017-08-10  0:35     ` Qu Wenruo
2017-08-12  0:10       ` Christoph Anton Mitterer
2017-08-12  7:42         ` Christoph Hellwig
2017-08-12 11:51           ` Christoph Anton Mitterer
2017-08-12 12:12             ` Hugo Mills
2017-08-13 14:08               ` Goffredo Baroncelli
2017-08-14  7:08                 ` Qu Wenruo
2017-08-14 14:23                   ` Goffredo Baroncelli
2017-08-14 19:08                     ` Chris Murphy
2017-08-14 20:27                       ` Goffredo Baroncelli
2017-08-14  6:36           ` Qu Wenruo
2017-08-14  7:43             ` Paul Jones
2017-08-14  7:46               ` Qu Wenruo
2017-08-14 12:32                 ` Christoph Anton Mitterer
2017-08-14 12:58                   ` Qu Wenruo
2017-08-14 12:24             ` Christoph Anton Mitterer
2017-08-14 14:23               ` Austin S. Hemmelgarn
2017-08-14 15:13                 ` Graham Cobb
2017-08-14 15:53                   ` Austin S. Hemmelgarn
2017-08-14 16:42                     ` Graham Cobb
2017-08-14 19:54                     ` Christoph Anton Mitterer
2017-08-15 11:37                       ` Austin S. Hemmelgarn
2017-08-15 14:41                         ` Christoph Anton Mitterer
2017-08-15 15:43                           ` Austin S. Hemmelgarn
2017-08-16 13:12                       ` Chris Mason
2017-08-16 13:31                         ` Christoph Anton Mitterer
2017-08-16 13:53                           ` Austin S. Hemmelgarn
2017-08-16 14:11                             ` Christoph Anton Mitterer
2017-08-16 15:07                               ` Austin S. Hemmelgarn
2017-08-16 17:26                                 ` Peter Grandi
2017-08-16 18:19                             ` David Sterba
2017-08-16 16:54                           ` Peter Grandi
2017-08-16 13:56                         ` Austin S. Hemmelgarn
2017-08-16 14:01                         ` Qu Wenruo
2017-08-16 19:52                           ` Chris Murphy
2017-08-17  6:25                             ` GWB
2017-08-17 11:47                               ` Austin S. Hemmelgarn
2017-08-17 19:00                                 ` Chris Murphy
2017-08-17 20:34                                   ` GWB
2017-08-16 16:44                         ` Peter Grandi
2017-08-14 19:39                 ` Christoph Anton Mitterer

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