From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org via listexpand id S261305AbTDDU0K (for ); Fri, 4 Apr 2003 15:26:10 -0500 Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org id S261308AbTDDU0K (for ); Fri, 4 Apr 2003 15:26:10 -0500 Received: from mail.zmailer.org ([62.240.94.4]:46822 "EHLO mail.zmailer.org") by vger.kernel.org with ESMTP id S261305AbTDDU0F (for ); Fri, 4 Apr 2003 15:26:05 -0500 Date: Fri, 4 Apr 2003 23:37:31 +0300 From: Matti Aarnio To: William Scott Lockwood III Cc: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org Subject: Re: your mail Message-ID: <20030404203731.GU29167@mea-ext.zmailer.org> References: <20030404072327.J5167-100000@www.geekizoid.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20030404072327.J5167-100000@www.geekizoid.com> Sender: linux-kernel-owner@vger.kernel.org X-Mailing-List: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org On Fri, Apr 04, 2003 at 07:28:12AM -0800, William Scott Lockwood III wrote: ... > The best list is one that is inclusive. One that tollerates other opinions > and choices. LKML has turned into the largest, nastiest click I've ever > seen, and that's really sad, as I'm sure it scares some good people away. Are you speaking about PEOPLE who react on emails by flaming, or something of list filtering "technology" ? > Look at all the crap I and others got for using hotmail - I finally > got sick and tired of the whining and now have to take 3x as long to > read my mail - but it's not a hotmail address anymore, so the whining > stoped. About people, then.. There I can't help, unfortunately. We have lots of people subscribing on Hotmail addresses, and only complaint I can voice is that those people will at times let their mailbox quotas overflow, which leads to bounces, and then subscription revocation... (Hard controlled quotas are not unique to Hotmail, nor people who let them overflow...) > Why not spend less timing restricting what people can read and post > from, and just let people participate? There is this small thing called spam... We have various filters (see my other posting), but obviously they are not infallible, a few spams do leak thru, and earn new filter rules (if I can think up something suitably specific, while generic..) A somewhat better anti-spam filter method, than what we use presently is to use strictly CLOSED list -- e.g. must be a member to post. I have seen what kind of pains closed lists are, I even moderate couple small ones. However we are deliberately running "open for posting, subject to filters" policy, which lets questions and reports to come from non-subscribers. /Matti Aarnio