From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org via listexpand id S271889AbTGYL3V (ORCPT ); Fri, 25 Jul 2003 07:29:21 -0400 Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org id S271154AbTGYL3V (ORCPT ); Fri, 25 Jul 2003 07:29:21 -0400 Received: from ns1.sim.com.tr ([212.175.216.1]:35046 "HELO ns1.sim.com.tr") by vger.kernel.org with SMTP id S271889AbTGYL3S (ORCPT ); Fri, 25 Jul 2003 07:29:18 -0400 From: Sancar Saran Organization: Sim Itletisim To: Alan Cox Subject: Re: SCO offers UnixWare licenses for Linux Date: Fri, 25 Jul 2003 14:44:24 +0300 User-Agent: KMail/1.5.2 References: <1058807414.513.4.camel@sunshine> <200307241849.07827.saran@sim.com.tr> <1059075139.7993.55.camel@dhcp22.swansea.linux.org.uk> In-Reply-To: <1059075139.7993.55.camel@dhcp22.swansea.linux.org.uk> Cc: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200307251444.24937.saran@sim.com.tr> Sender: linux-kernel-owner@vger.kernel.org X-Mailing-List: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org Hi, First, thanks for replaying my mail. On Thursday 24 July 2003 22:32, you wrote: > On Iau, 2003-07-24 at 16:49, Sancar Saran wrote: > > I wish to know are we have backup plan any backup plan. Most of Linux > > users are gonna worry. > > Well if IBM did steal stuff my backup plan is to sue IBM, as I suspect > is everyone elses. There are basically three outcomes > > #1 The whole thing is without merit (as it seems to be now) > #2 IBM did it and have to buy SCO (because everyone will sue IBM, every > Linux developer, every business, every user) > #3 SCO gets bankrupted by countersuits (popular US approach to law) > It look like good plan, and my question is not answered. Are distro makers safe in these time line? What if Red Hat goes bankrupt before the SCO falldown. I believe without them we are lost very valuable assets. Losing Red Hat or SuSe are unacceptable. Because of the whole thing slowes down the sales of RHAS class expensive Linux contracts may lead economically trouble our very importand distros. Of course I can live without them, when everything goes bad, I can do linux from strach. But what about Joe Sixpack or, Johny WannebeLinux Admin. I think none of us want to return status of 1997. I don't mean technological status of 1997, I mean industry acceptance. Last six monts I see lots of system sales & IT consultant people gonna buy expensive Linux contracs. Before the expensive Linux offerings these guys have serious trouble to understand Linux nature. Now they are very happy to buy RHAS for 2499$ And now SCO looks like gonna destroy our industry acceptance. Today I see gartner suggestions about status. http://www3.gartner.com/DisplayDocument?doc_cd=116445 (of course this is M$ biased FUD. But to many people listen them. Remember PR ;) ) Its look like our distros gonna hurt badly. > At the moment it seems like the games Intel played against AMD in the > 486 days against motherboard vendors, except that Intel had a better > case > > > Today I get a e mail from our local mailing lists. Says SCO sued Red Hat > > for this. another one asks Can M$ send BSA to check their systems and > > request licence money (because of buying SCO Unixware Licences). > > SCO Unixware licenses don't entitle you to copy Linux. In fact if you > sign one of their "settlements" you probably lose your right to > distribute Linux under the GPL license terms and give them the right to > break into your office by signing one. But I'm not a lawyer > > You can still today download Linux kernels from sco.com which claim to > be GPL. Given what I know about estoppel and law I suggest everyone may > wish to download a copy and log the date they did so. > > These same issues are true of Windows btw. If you are using any of the > following products you might want to worry about the Intertrust patent > suit against Microsoft... > > http://www.intertrust.com/main/ip/accused.html > http://secure.zdnet.com.au/newstech/enterprise/story/0,2000048640,20276337, >00.htm > > and also Timeline - who have made it clear they are considering > targetting Microsoft customers > > http://www.theregister.co.uk/content/53/29419.html > > "particularly those Microsoft customers who relied on Microsoft's > assurances, failed to investigate them thoroughly, and knowingly > continued to provide material steps in an Infringing Combination. These > infringers, if any, may face treble damages for the entire three and > one-half years the case was tied up in the courts. Microsoft is not a > law firm. Relying on its advice should not constitute acting in good > faith; which is the required defense to treble damages for failure to > investigate and honor patents once on notice of their existence." > > Just the press cover that one mysteriously less often. > > Final amusement: http://www.talkleft.com/archives/003727.html Oh.. I think my broken English leads some misunderstanding. I mean, non technical (or don't know too much about GNU/Linux communty or even /.) Linux users are believe these rumors. They just sing-up some local IT sites, also these sites have very limited knowladge about situation. And thoose (I believe some M$ biased aproachs) speculations make them nervous. They have no clue about status, they have not real information sources and they are chooses which operating systems run their cooperation or they give Personally I'm living in Turkey, we are very very far away that questions, problems etc. I have no fears about SCO,his case and others. Neither SCO nor M$ can distrub me. Anyway this is Kernel list, a harcore technical list. That much politics may distrub you or others. But I'm fear about thoose distros, loosing them not good and I believe if this mess not finish in A.S.A.P we gonna loose them. And this is what M$, Sun wants. Regards Sancar "Delifisek" Saran