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From: Mark Mielke <mark@mark.mielke.cc>
To: William Lee Irwin III <wli@holomorphy.com>,
	G?bor L?n?rt <lgb@lgb.hu>,
	Stuart Longland <stuartl@longlandclan.hopto.org>,
	Stephan von Krawczynski <skraw@ithnet.com>,
	Fabian.Frederick@prov-liege.be, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: 2.7 thoughts
Date: Fri, 10 Oct 2003 11:50:07 -0400	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20031010155007.GA13825@mark.mielke.cc> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20031010150122.GD727@holomorphy.com>

On Fri, Oct 10, 2003 at 08:01:22AM -0700, William Lee Irwin III wrote:
> On Fri, Oct 10, 2003 at 10:48:37AM -0400, Mark Mielke wrote:
> > Perhaps I've naive here, but - with hot-pluggable CPU machines, do you not
> > de-activate the CPU through software first, before pulling the CPU out, at
> > which point it is not in use?
> Well, you deleted my reply, but never mind that.

I wasn't responding to you. You're article just happened to be the one
that I pushed 'g' to... :-)

> This obviously can't work unless the kernel gets some kind of warning.
> Userspace and kernel register state, once lost that way, can't be
> recovered, and if tasks are automatically suspended (e.g. cpu dumps to
> somewhere and a miracle occurs), you'll deadlock if the kernel was in
> a non-preemptible critical section at the time.

Again, I'm perhaps naive here - I've never been able to afford such a
machine with hot-pluggable CPU's, however, I have heard from people who
have used them at work, that you use software (i.e. system calls to the
kernel) to instruct the kernel to no longer schedule tasks for the CPU.
Once the CPU is no longer scheduled for use, you can feel free to unplug
the CPU from the motherboard. Note that I didn't say that the software
approach could *guarantee* immediate success. You wouldn't unplug the
CPU until your had successfully deregistered the CPU from having anything
scheduled for it.

Is this not the way things (should) work?

mark

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  reply	other threads:[~2003-10-10 15:51 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 48+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2003-10-09  8:08 2.7 thoughts Frederick, Fabian
2003-10-09  8:55 ` John Bradford
2003-10-09  9:45   ` mario noioso
2003-10-09 11:58 ` Gábor Lénárt
2003-10-09 14:57   ` Stephan von Krawczynski
2003-10-10  6:19     ` Stuart Longland
2003-10-10  6:30       ` William Lee Irwin III
2003-10-10  7:30         ` YoshiyaETO
2003-10-10  7:40           ` William Lee Irwin III
2003-10-10  8:47             ` YoshiyaETO
2003-10-10  9:09               ` William Lee Irwin III
2003-10-10 10:26                 ` YoshiyaETO
2003-10-10 10:50                   ` William Lee Irwin III
2003-10-10 10:55                     ` William Lee Irwin III
2003-10-10 10:51       ` Stephan von Krawczynski
2003-10-10 14:07         ` Stuart Longland
2003-10-10 14:27           ` Stephan von Krawczynski
2003-10-10 14:35           ` Gábor Lénárt
2003-10-10 14:47             ` William Lee Irwin III
2003-10-10 14:48               ` Mark Mielke
2003-10-10 15:01                 ` William Lee Irwin III
2003-10-10 15:50                   ` Mark Mielke [this message]
2003-10-10 16:35                     ` Chris Friesen
2003-10-10 16:44                       ` William Lee Irwin III
2003-10-12 20:14                   ` Pavel Machek
2003-10-10 15:12               ` Jamie Lokier
2003-10-10 15:21                 ` William Lee Irwin III
2003-10-10 18:03               ` Tim Hockin
2003-10-10 18:29                 ` William Lee Irwin III
2003-10-10 18:56                   ` Tim Hockin
2003-10-10 23:40                     ` Rusty Russell
2003-10-15 19:15           ` Anton Blanchard
2003-10-10 13:30       ` Kevin Corry
2003-10-10 18:29         ` Lars Marowsky-Bree
2003-10-11  3:49           ` jw schultz
2003-10-11 13:24             ` Lars Marowsky-Bree
2003-10-11 19:50               ` jw schultz
2003-10-10 17:12       ` Matt Simonsen
2003-10-10 20:59   ` Pedro Larroy
2003-10-09 18:17 ` Greg KH
2003-10-09 19:07 ` Pavel Machek
2003-10-09 11:56 Svetoslav Slavtchev
2003-10-09 12:44 Xose Vazquez Perez
2003-10-09 13:17 Frederick, Fabian
2003-10-09 13:19 ` Jens Axboe
2003-10-09 13:50 ` Gábor Lénárt
2003-10-09 13:52 ` Bartlomiej Zolnierkiewicz
2003-10-10 19:01 Zwane Mwaikambo

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