From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org via listexpand id S265811AbUADWBN (ORCPT ); Sun, 4 Jan 2004 17:01:13 -0500 Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org id S265812AbUADWBM (ORCPT ); Sun, 4 Jan 2004 17:01:12 -0500 Received: from mailhost.tue.nl ([131.155.2.7]:16142 "EHLO mailhost.tue.nl") by vger.kernel.org with ESMTP id S265811AbUADWBJ (ORCPT ); Sun, 4 Jan 2004 17:01:09 -0500 Date: Sun, 4 Jan 2004 23:01:04 +0100 From: Andries Brouwer To: Linus Torvalds Cc: Andries Brouwer , Rob Love , rob@landley.net, Pascal Schmidt , linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, Greg KH Subject: Re: udev and devfs - The final word Message-ID: <20040104230104.A11439@pclin040.win.tue.nl> References: <20040103040013.A3100@pclin040.win.tue.nl> <20040103141029.B3393@pclin040.win.tue.nl> <20040104000840.A3625@pclin040.win.tue.nl> <20040104034934.A3669@pclin040.win.tue.nl> <20040104142111.A11279@pclin040.win.tue.nl> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5.1i In-Reply-To: ; from torvalds@osdl.org on Sun, Jan 04, 2004 at 01:05:20PM -0800 Sender: linux-kernel-owner@vger.kernel.org X-Mailing-List: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org On Sun, Jan 04, 2004 at 01:05:20PM -0800, Linus Torvalds wrote: > Oh, _I_ always understood. You were the one that was arguing for > stable numbers as somehow important. Indeed. I said "preferably stable across reboots". > I'm just telling you that they aren't stable, and that a > user application that depends on their stability or > their uniqueness is BROKEN. Surprise! Are you leaving POSIX? Or ditching NFS? Or demanding that NFS servers must never reboot? A common Unix idiom is testing for the identity of two files by comparing st_ino and st_dev. A broken idiom? No idea what part of our Unix heritage you now have decided to call broken. Andries