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To: Linus Torvalds <torvalds@osdl.org>
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Subject: Re: udev and devfs - The final word
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On Sun, Jan 04, 2004 at 08:52:56PM -0800, Linus Torvalds wrote:
 
> That's where "mount by label" does part of the job. But if the system is 
> _always_ set up to do things like NFS exports according to some separate 
> UUID, that too would "just work".

mount by label does part of the job, until you decide to use dd(1) to copy
a disk.  At which point you have, AFAICS, no way tell which copy will get
mounted.
 
> Those are them fighting words.
> 
> But since you brought it up: do you actually have anything else that can
> open a remote IMAP file with a few thousand messages without taking ages
> for it, and that you don't have to mouse around with? I'd like a graphical
> interface for configuring stuff etc, but I sure as hell don't want to find
> some f*ing icon to save a few messages that I selected in-order to my
> "doit" queue or go to the next one, or pipe the thing to a shell-script,
> or any number of things that are my actual _job_.

I prefer to ssh to another box and use mutt.  Seriously, I've made a mistake
of reading imapd source and that was enough to decide that I'm _not_ touching
uw-<anything> and that protocol in general unless I really have no other
options.  So far I've managed to avoid that...

> On a related matter, I'm probably a retard, but I've tried alternatives to
> "trn" too, and there really aren't any.

Same here.  There are things about trn command set I'd prefer to see changed,
but it's better than other newsreaders I've seen...