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From: Lars Marowsky-Bree <lmb@suse.de>
To: Scott Long <scott_long@adaptec.com>, linux-raid@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: Proposed Enhancements to MD
Date: Tue, 13 Jan 2004 11:24:33 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20040113102433.GK8418@marowsky-bree.de> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <40036902.8080403@adaptec.com>

On 2004-01-12T20:41:54,
   Scott Long <scott_long@adaptec.com> said:

Hi Scott, this is good to see!

> - partition support for md devices:  MD does not support the concept of
>   fdisk partitions; the only way to approximate this right now is by
>   creating multiple arrays on the same media.  Fixing this is required
>   for not only feature-completeness, but to allow our BIOS to recognise
>   the partitions on an array and properly boot them as it would boot a
>   normal disk.

I'm not too excited about this, because Device Mapping on top of md is
much more flexible, but I see that users want it, and it should be
pretty easy to add.

> - generic device arrival notification mechanism:  This is needed to
>   support device hot-plug, and allow arrays to be automatically
>   configured regardless of when the md module is loaded or initialized.
>   RedHat EL3 has a scaled down version of this already, but it is
>   specific to MD and only works if MD is statically compiled into the
>   kernel.  A general mechanism will benefit MD as well as any other
>   storage system that wants hot-arrival notices.

Yes. Is anything missing from the 2.6 & hotplug & udev solution which
you require?

> - RAID-0 fixes:  The MD RAID-0 personality is unable to perform I/O
>   that spans a chunk boundary.  Modifications are needed so that it can
>   take a request and break it up into 1 or more per-disk requests.

Agreed.

> - Metadata abstraction:  We intend to support multiple on-disk metadata
>   formats, along with the 'native MD' format.  To do this, specific
>   knowledge of MD on-disk structures must be abstracted out of the core
>   and personalities modules.

This can get difficult, of course, and needs to be implemented in a way
which doesn't slow us down too much.

> - DDF Metadata support: Future products will use the 'DDF' on-disk
>   metadata scheme.  These products will be bootable by the BIOS, but
>   must have DDF support in the OS.  This will plug into the abstraction
>   mentioned above.

OK. How does the DDF metadata differ from the current md data? Is it
merely the layout, or are there functional differences?

In particular, I'm wondering whether partitions using the new activity
logging features of md will still be bootable, or whether the boot
partitions need to be 'md classic'.

> bit due to the radical changes in the disk/block layer in 2.6.  The 2.4
> version works quite well, while the 2.6 version is fairly fresh. 

I'd be reluctant doing any of the work for 2.4, but this is of course
upto you.


Sincerely,
    Lars Marowsky-Brée <lmb@suse.de>

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  reply	other threads:[~2004-01-13 10:24 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 57+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2004-01-13  3:41 Proposed Enhancements to MD Scott Long
2004-01-13 10:24 ` Lars Marowsky-Bree [this message]
2004-01-13 18:03   ` Scott Long
2004-01-16  9:29     ` Lars Marowsky-Bree
2004-01-13 14:19 ` Matt Domsch
2004-01-13 17:13   ` Andreas Dilger
2004-01-13 22:26     ` Andreas Dilger
2004-01-13 18:19   ` Kevin P. Fleming
2004-01-13 18:19   ` Jeff Garzik
2004-01-13 20:29     ` Chris Friesen
2004-01-13 20:35       ` Matt Domsch
2004-01-13 21:10     ` Matt Domsch
  -- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2004-01-13 19:59 Proposed enhancements " Cress, Andrew R
2004-01-13  0:34 Scott Long
2004-01-13 16:26 ` Jakob Oestergaard
     [not found]   ` <20040113201058.GD1594@srv-lnx2600.matchmail.com>
2004-01-14 19:07     ` Jakob Oestergaard
     [not found]       ` <20040114194052.GK1594@srv-lnx2600.matchmail.com>
2004-01-14 21:02         ` Jakob Oestergaard
     [not found]           ` <20040114222447.GL1594@srv-lnx2600.matchmail.com>
2004-01-15  1:42             ` Jakob Oestergaard
2004-01-13 18:21 ` mutex
2004-01-13 19:05   ` Jeff Garzik
2004-01-13 19:30     ` mutex
2004-01-13 19:43       ` Jeff Garzik
2004-01-13 20:00         ` mutex
2004-01-13 20:44   ` Scott Long
2004-01-13 18:44 ` Jeff Garzik
2004-01-13 19:01   ` John Bradford
2004-01-13 19:41   ` Matt Domsch
2004-01-13 22:10     ` Arjan van de Ven
2004-01-16  9:31     ` Lars Marowsky-Bree
2004-01-16  9:31       ` Lars Marowsky-Bree
2004-01-16  9:57       ` Arjan van de Ven
2004-01-13 20:41   ` Scott Long
2004-01-13 22:33     ` Jure Pečar
2004-01-13 22:33       ` Jure Pečar
2004-01-13 22:44       ` Scott Long
2004-01-13 22:56       ` viro
2004-01-14 15:52     ` Kevin Corry
2004-01-13 22:42   ` Luca Berra
2004-01-13 22:06 ` Arjan van de Ven
2004-01-13 22:44   ` Wakko Warner
2004-01-13 22:34     ` Arjan van de Ven
2004-01-13 23:09     ` Andreas Steinmetz
2004-01-13 23:38       ` Wakko Warner
2004-01-14 16:16         ` Kevin Corry
2004-01-14 16:53           ` Kevin P. Fleming
2004-01-14 23:07 ` Neil Brown
2004-01-15 11:10   ` Norman Schmidt
2004-01-15 21:52   ` Matt Domsch
2004-01-15 21:52     ` Matt Domsch
2004-01-16  9:24     ` Lars Marowsky-Bree
2004-01-16  9:24       ` Lars Marowsky-Bree
2004-01-16 13:43       ` Matt Domsch
2004-01-16 13:56         ` Lars Marowsky-Bree
2004-01-16 14:06           ` Christoph Hellwig
2004-01-16 14:11             ` Matt Domsch
2004-01-16 14:11               ` Matt Domsch
2004-01-16 14:13               ` Christoph Hellwig

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