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From: Andrew Morton <akpm@digeo.com>
To: Marcelo Tosatti <marcelo.tosatti@cyclades.com>
Cc: linux-mm@kvack.org, piggin@cyberone.com.au
Subject: Re: [PATCH] kswapd shall not sleep during page shortage
Date: Wed, 10 Nov 2004 14:08:40 -0800	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20041110140840.7e1769c9.akpm@digeo.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20041110181450.GB12867@logos.cnet>

Marcelo Tosatti <marcelo.tosatti@cyclades.com> wrote:
>
> On Tue, Nov 09, 2004 at 04:28:01PM -0800, Andrew Morton wrote:
> > Marcelo Tosatti <marcelo.tosatti@cyclades.com> wrote:
> > >
> > > Back to arguing in favour of my patch - it seemed to me that kswapd could 
> > >  go to sleep leaving allocators which can't reclaim pages themselves in a 
> > >  bad situation. 
> > 
> > Yes, but those processes would be sleeping in blk_congestion_wait() during,
> > say, a GFP_NOIO/GFP_NOFS allocation attempt.  And in that case, they may be
> > holding locks whcih prevent kswapd from being able to do any work either.
> > 
> > >  It would have to be waken up by another instance of alloc_pages to then 
> > >  execute and start doing its job, while if it was executing already (madly 
> > >  scanning as you say), the chance it would find freeable pages quite
> > >  earlier.
> > > 
> > >  Note that not only disk IO can cause pages to become freeable. A user
> > >  can give up its reference on pagecache page for example (leaving
> > >  the page on LRU to be found and freed by kswapd).
> > 
> > yup.  Or munlock(), or direct-io completion.
> 
> Andrew,
> 
> Shouldnt the kernel ideally clear zone->all_unreclaimable in those 
> situations? (munlock, direct-io completion, last reference on pagecache
> page, etc).

The design intent here is that a zone shouldn't enter the all-unreclaimable
state until we've absolutely scanned the crap out of it.  So we assume that
once a zone is all-unreclaimable then it will stay that way for a
relatively long time.  We do little, short scans just to poll the status of
the zone.  If one of those short scans ends up freeing a page then the zone
is removed from the all_unreclaimable state.

So if someone does one of the above things then we hope that a subsequent
short-scan will free a page and will wake the zone up.  This has the obvious
drawback that it might take us a number of scanning passes before we
discover a reclaimable page.   1<<DEF_PRIORITY passes, worst-case.

For munlock we'd need to actually examine the zone of each affected page,
which is a bunch of new code - a full pte walk.  We don't want munlocks of
ZONE_HIGHMEM to trigger these huge scans of a lower zone.

We could possibly put special-case code in the direct-io completion
handler, but it's all a bit weird.
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  reply	other threads:[~2004-11-10 22:08 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 21+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2004-11-09 16:46 [PATCH] kswapd shall not sleep during page shortage Marcelo Tosatti
2004-11-09 20:19 ` Andrew Morton
2004-11-09 17:41   ` Marcelo Tosatti
2004-11-09 21:33     ` Andrew Morton
2004-11-09 18:26       ` Marcelo Tosatti
2004-11-09 22:22         ` Andrew Morton
2004-11-09 20:31           ` Marcelo Tosatti
2004-11-10  0:28             ` Andrew Morton
2004-11-09 23:16               ` Marcelo Tosatti
2004-11-09 23:34                 ` Marcelo Tosatti
2004-11-10  2:53                 ` Andrew Morton
2004-11-10 18:14               ` Marcelo Tosatti
2004-11-10 22:08                 ` Andrew Morton [this message]
2004-11-10  0:56           ` Nick Piggin
2004-11-10  2:49             ` Nick Piggin
2004-11-10  2:56               ` Andrew Morton
2004-11-10  3:12                 ` Nick Piggin
2004-11-10  3:18                   ` Andrew Morton
2004-11-10  3:27                     ` Nick Piggin
2004-11-10  4:15                     ` Nick Piggin
2004-11-10  8:17                       ` Marcelo Tosatti

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