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From: Marcus Meissner <meissner@suse.de>
To: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: RFC: Starting a stable kernel series off the 2.6 kernel
Date: Mon,  5 Dec 2005 11:55:47 +0100 (CET)	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20051205105547.C8B397C95B@grape.suse.de> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <1133714480.5188.62.camel@laptopd505.fenrus.org.suse.lists.linux.kernel>

In article <1133714480.5188.62.camel@laptopd505.fenrus.org.suse.lists.linux.kernel> you wrote:
> On Sun, 2005-12-04 at 17:11 +0100, Matthias Andree wrote:
>> On Sun, 04 Dec 2005, Arjan van de Ven wrote:
>> 
>> > On Sun, 2005-12-04 at 15:57 +0100, M. wrote:
>> > 
>> > > 
>> > > if distros would align on those 6months versions those less
>> > > experienced users would get 5 years support on those kernels. 
>> > 
>> > no distro gives 5 years of support for a kernel done every 6 months;
>> > they start such projects more like every 18 to 24 months (SuSE used to
>> > do it a bit more frequently but it seems they also slowed this down).
>> 
>> SUSE end-user distros (SUSE LINUX <version>) are released every 6 months
>> or so, and are supported for 24 months. Their "enterprise server" is
>> supported for 60 months though, SLES 9 forked off 9.1.
> 
> sure.. but they don't add new hw support really, and I'd not be
> surprised if they rebase to a newer upstream kernel after a while. I
> know we did that for RHL, eg RHL 7.(Y-1) got the kernel of RHL7.Y after
> RHL7.Y was released, not only to keep the maintenance down, but more so
> to get all the bugfixes and hardware support out to customers. 

We tried rebasing the kernel from 2.4.19 to 2.4.21 in a SLES 8 service
pack. It was like doing a new product.

Currently for SLES our policy is to add new driver support at Service Pack
releases.... Currently this list includes major updates to e1000 and other
Gigabit network drivers for instance (and likely other things, I am not
really keeping track).

So:

- SUSE Linux distro every 6 months with then current mainline, 
  24 months lifetime, kernel gets only critical bugfixes and security fixes.


- SUSE Linux Enterprise Line (every 18 - 24 months) with then current mainline,
  kernel version stays stable.

  Non Service Pack kernel updates:
  	- security and critical bugfixes only.

  Service Packs kernel updates:
  	- new features (but only with backing business case/ partner request)
	- driver updates for enterprise critical hardware

Ciao, Marcus (only responsible for the security part luckily)

       reply	other threads:[~2005-12-05 10:55 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 239+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
     [not found] <1133714480.5188.62.camel@laptopd505.fenrus.org.suse.lists.linux.kernel>
2005-12-05 10:55 ` Marcus Meissner [this message]
2005-12-06  4:18 RFC: Starting a stable kernel series off the 2.6 kernel John Kelly
2005-12-06 13:27 ` Lars Marowsky-Bree
2005-12-06 18:21   ` John Kelly
2005-12-06 22:55     ` Lars Marowsky-Bree
  -- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2005-12-04 11:37 Xose Vazquez Perez
2005-12-03 13:56 Adrian Bunk
2005-12-03 14:29 ` Jesper Juhl
2005-12-03 20:19   ` Greg KH
2005-12-03 21:04     ` M.
2005-12-03 21:37       ` James Courtier-Dutton
     [not found]     ` <f0cc38560512031254j3b28d579s539be721c247c10a@mail.gmail.com>
2005-12-03 21:12       ` Greg KH
2005-12-03 21:31         ` M.
2005-12-03 21:38           ` Arjan van de Ven
2005-12-03 21:53             ` M.
2005-12-03 22:26               ` Greg KH
2005-12-04  7:56               ` Arjan van de Ven
     [not found]                 ` <f0cc38560512040657i58cc08efqa8596c357fcea82e@mail.gmail.com>
2005-12-04 15:10                   ` Arjan van de Ven
2005-12-04 16:11                     ` Matthias Andree
2005-12-04 16:41                       ` Arjan van de Ven
2005-12-04 20:08                         ` Paul Jackson
     [not found]                     ` <f0cc38560512040724re5114c2y76bb34d63c9c5ae0@mail.gmail.com>
2005-12-04 22:47                       ` Greg KH
     [not found]                         ` <f0cc38560512041503y7abd1f12rbce8bdac0ebdf30d@mail.gmail.com>
2005-12-04 23:12                           ` Greg KH
2005-12-05  1:03                         ` Horst von Brand
2005-12-05 19:35                     ` Bill Davidsen
2005-12-03 21:54           ` Greg KH
2005-12-06  1:19         ` Florian Weimer
2005-12-06 17:55           ` Greg KH
2005-12-03 22:51     ` Adrian Bunk
2005-12-03 23:28       ` Greg KH
2005-12-03 23:35       ` Chris Wright
2005-12-06  0:37         ` Rob Landley
2005-12-07 21:38           ` Nix
2005-12-04  8:07       ` Arjan van de Ven
2005-12-05 20:33       ` Florian Weimer
2005-12-06  1:10         ` Horst von Brand
2005-12-06 10:46           ` Matthias Andree
2005-12-06 14:01           ` Florian Weimer
2005-12-06 16:52             ` Gene Heskett
2005-12-04  3:48     ` Jesper Juhl
2005-12-04 11:56       ` Matthias Andree
2005-12-04 23:24         ` Greg KH
2005-12-05  6:26           ` Willy Tarreau
2005-12-05 10:00             ` Matthias Andree
2005-12-05 10:55             ` Lars Marowsky-Bree
2005-12-05 11:34               ` Willy Tarreau
2005-12-05 11:40                 ` Lars Marowsky-Bree
2005-12-05 12:01                   ` Willy Tarreau
2005-12-05 12:24                   ` Bernd Eckenfels
2005-12-05 12:26                     ` Arjan van de Ven
2005-12-06 17:54             ` Greg KH
2005-12-06 18:57               ` John Kelly
2005-12-06 21:55                 ` Adrian Bunk
2005-12-06 22:40                   ` John Kelly
2005-12-05 18:51           ` Adrian Bunk
2005-12-06 17:50             ` Greg KH
2005-12-06 14:32           ` Florian Weimer
     [not found]             ` <6f6293f10512060855p79fb5e91ke6fca33f96cb1750@mail.gmail.com>
2005-12-06 17:47               ` Greg KH
2005-12-06 23:27                 ` David S. Miller
2005-12-06 19:01             ` Lee Revell
2005-12-04 17:00     ` Jakob Oestergaard
2005-12-04 22:39       ` Greg KH
2005-12-05 15:17         ` Jakob Oestergaard
2005-12-05 15:44           ` Pekka Enberg
2005-12-05 17:17             ` Jakob Oestergaard
2005-12-06 17:44           ` Greg KH
2005-12-06 21:16             ` Bill Davidsen
2005-12-07 14:38             ` Massimiliano Hofer
2005-12-07 16:05               ` Horst von Brand
2005-12-07 16:29                 ` Massimiliano Hofer
2005-12-05 14:48     ` Florian Weimer
2005-12-06 17:46       ` Greg KH
2005-12-03 14:31 ` Ben Collins
2005-12-03 19:35   ` Adrian Bunk
2005-12-03 19:57     ` Lee Revell
2005-12-03 21:04       ` M.
2005-12-03 22:58       ` Matthias Andree
2005-12-03 23:49         ` Lee Revell
2005-12-05 21:05           ` Florian Weimer
2005-12-05 21:41             ` Lee Revell
2005-12-05 23:00               ` Florian Weimer
2005-12-05 23:06                 ` Bernd Petrovitsch
2005-12-06  0:08                   ` Florian Weimer
2005-12-05 21:00         ` Florian Weimer
2005-12-05 21:06           ` Arjan van de Ven
2005-12-06  0:43             ` Florian Weimer
2005-12-06 11:21               ` Matthias Andree
2005-12-06 15:10                 ` Florian Weimer
2005-12-06 16:45                 ` Dmitry Torokhov
2005-12-07 11:29                   ` Matthias Andree
2005-12-07 13:54                     ` Horst von Brand
2005-12-08  3:29                     ` Dmitry Torokhov
2005-12-08  8:29                       ` Matthias Andree
2005-12-10  0:22                 ` Rob Landley
2005-12-06 20:35               ` Alan Cox
2005-12-05 23:03   ` Bill Davidsen
2005-12-06  1:48     ` Jeff Garzik
2005-12-06 11:23       ` Matthias Andree
2005-12-06 19:48       ` Bill Davidsen
2005-12-06  1:56     ` Horst von Brand
2005-12-03 14:36 ` Arjan van de Ven
2005-12-03 15:23   ` Adrian Bunk
2005-12-03 15:39     ` Arjan van de Ven
2005-12-04 13:53       ` Denis Vlasenko
2005-12-05  9:47       ` Michael Frank
2005-12-06  0:54         ` Horst von Brand
2005-12-06 17:08           ` Michael Frank
2005-12-03 16:27     ` Matthias Andree
2005-12-03 16:40       ` Otavio Salvador
2005-12-03 16:58       ` David Ranson
2005-12-03 17:13         ` Steven Rostedt
2005-12-03 17:17           ` David Ranson
2005-12-03 17:53             ` Adrian Bunk
2005-12-03 18:34               ` David Ranson
2005-12-03 22:27                 ` Matthias Andree
2005-12-03 22:34                   ` Lee Revell
2005-12-03 22:50                     ` Matthias Andree
2005-12-04  0:20                       ` Greg KH
2005-12-04  4:46                         ` Luke-Jr
2005-12-04 15:06                           ` Michael Frank
2005-12-04 23:22                           ` Greg KH
2005-12-05  5:59                             ` Luke-Jr
2005-12-06  0:34                               ` Rob Landley
2005-12-06 10:34                                 ` Luke-Jr
2005-12-06 19:17                                   ` Rob Landley
2005-12-06 17:38                               ` Greg KH
2005-12-06 14:58                             ` Bill Davidsen
2005-12-06 17:59                               ` Greg KH
2005-12-06 21:10                                 ` Bill Davidsen
2005-12-06 21:51                                   ` Kay Sievers
2005-12-10  2:16                               ` Rob Landley
2005-12-10  4:04                                 ` Greg KH
2005-12-05 22:47                         ` Rob Landley
2005-12-05 23:05                           ` Benjamin LaHaise
2005-12-06  3:19                             ` Rob Landley
2005-12-06  3:32                               ` Benjamin LaHaise
2005-12-06  5:49                                 ` Rob Landley
2005-12-06 10:51                             ` Matthias Andree
2005-12-06  3:15                           ` Greg KH
2005-12-06  3:23                             ` Rob Landley
2005-12-03 22:36                   ` David Ranson
2005-12-03 22:50                     ` Matthias Andree
2005-12-06 14:59                     ` Bill Davidsen
2005-12-04  1:04                   ` Horst von Brand
2005-12-04 12:07                     ` Matthias Andree
2005-12-04 19:29                       ` Horst von Brand
2005-12-06 20:01                     ` Bill Davidsen
2005-12-05 20:43                 ` Bill Davidsen
2005-12-05  3:31               ` Rob Landley
2005-12-05 16:17                 ` Mark Lord
2005-12-05 16:28                   ` Lee Revell
2005-12-05 16:44                     ` Matthias Andree
2005-12-05 17:17                       ` Lee Revell
2005-12-05 17:55                         ` Matthias Andree
2005-12-05 20:52                           ` Florian Weimer
2005-12-05 21:21                             ` Steven Rostedt
2005-12-05 23:09                               ` Rob Landley
2005-12-06  0:54                                 ` Steven Rostedt
2005-12-06  1:10                                   ` Florian Weimer
2005-12-06  1:26                                     ` Steven Rostedt
2005-12-06 18:06                                       ` Horst von Brand
2005-12-06  3:22                                   ` Rob Landley
2005-12-06  1:06                               ` Florian Weimer
2005-12-06 11:09                             ` Matthias Andree
2005-12-05 17:58                     ` Rob Landley
2005-12-06 18:51                       ` Bill Davidsen
2005-12-07 15:48                         ` Arjan van de Ven
2005-12-07 18:40                           ` Horst von Brand
2005-12-07 18:14                         ` Rob Landley
2005-12-10 13:41                           ` Bill Davidsen
2005-12-10 17:05                             ` Douglas McNaught
2005-12-11  5:52                               ` Rob Landley
2005-12-12  3:25                               ` Bill Davidsen
2005-12-11  5:33                             ` Rob Landley
2005-12-05 21:22                     ` Bill Davidsen
2005-12-06 14:59                     ` Bill Davidsen
2005-12-05 18:44                 ` Adrian Bunk
2005-12-03 18:21             ` Mark Lord
2005-12-03 19:22               ` Linus Torvalds
2005-12-04  3:32                 ` Mark Lord
2005-12-03 22:21             ` Matthias Andree
2005-12-03 22:29               ` Greg KH
2005-12-03 22:41                 ` Matthias Andree
2005-12-03 22:48                 ` Steven Rostedt
2005-12-03 17:22       ` Arjan van de Ven
2005-12-03 17:35         ` M.
2005-12-03 23:05         ` Matthias Andree
2005-12-03 23:37           ` Greg KH
2005-12-04  0:52           ` Jeff V. Merkey
2005-12-04 12:12             ` Matthias Andree
2005-12-04 12:32               ` Arjan van de Ven
2005-12-04 13:28                 ` Matthias Andree
2005-12-04 13:35                   ` Arjan van de Ven
2005-12-04 14:25                     ` Matthias Andree
2005-12-04 14:50                       ` Arjan van de Ven
2005-12-04 15:08                         ` Matthias Andree
2005-12-04 15:11                           ` Arjan van de Ven
2005-12-04 15:36                           ` Andreas Schwab
2005-12-04 16:17                             ` Matthias Andree
2005-12-05  3:09                               ` Joel Becker
2005-12-06 20:13                                 ` Alan Cox
2005-12-04 15:20                       ` Arjan van de Ven
2005-12-04 16:23                         ` Matthias Andree
2005-12-04 15:25                       ` Richard Knutsson
2005-12-04 15:23                         ` Arjan van de Ven
2005-12-05 23:51                         ` Rob Landley
2005-12-06 20:40                         ` Matan Peled
2005-12-04 19:57             ` Horst von Brand
2005-12-04 21:35             ` Bernd Petrovitsch
2005-12-05  0:43               ` Jeff V. Merkey
2005-12-05  9:06                 ` Bernd Petrovitsch
2005-12-06  0:41                   ` Horst von Brand
2005-12-06  9:38                     ` Bernd Petrovitsch
2005-12-05  3:23     ` Rob Landley
2005-12-10 19:48     ` Ryan Anderson
2005-12-03 18:39 ` Dr. David Alan Gilbert
2005-12-03 20:59 ` Lars Marowsky-Bree
2005-12-03 21:13   ` Dave Jones
2005-12-03 21:18     ` Lars Marowsky-Bree
2005-12-03 22:40       ` Adrian Bunk
2005-12-03 23:02     ` Matthias Andree
2005-12-03 23:09       ` Dave Jones
2005-12-06  0:14   ` Florian Weimer
2005-12-06 13:20     ` Lars Marowsky-Bree
2005-12-06 13:37       ` Florian Weimer
2005-12-04 12:56 ` Indrek Kruusa
2005-12-04 13:05   ` Arjan van de Ven
2005-12-04 15:26     ` Indrek Kruusa
2005-12-05 23:43   ` Rob Landley
2005-12-05 19:30 ` Bill Davidsen
2005-12-05 23:25   ` Adrian Bunk
2005-12-06 11:28   ` Matthias Andree
2005-12-06 13:25   ` Lars Marowsky-Bree
2005-12-06 20:46     ` Bill Davidsen
2005-12-12 14:45 ` Felix Oxley
2005-12-12 17:17   ` Horst von Brand
2005-12-12 18:53     ` Felix Oxley
2005-12-13 13:17       ` Horst von Brand
2005-12-14  0:09         ` Felix Oxley

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