On Sat, 22 Apr 2006 13:52:57 PDT, Ken Brush said: > That sysadmins are not sophisticated enough to properly configure the > MAC systems AppArmor and SELinux effectively? We know they're usually not. There are a *few* that have a clue, but most don't. And as the Linux market grows, we're going to have more and more Linux sysadmins with less than a year's experience... > Or that people who use > AppArmor are not likely to put careful thought into the policies that > they use? They're not likely to put careful thought into it, *AND* that saying things like "AppArmor is so *simple* to configure" only makes things worse - this encourages unqualified people to create broken policy configurations. I have no problem with "handles a lot of the grunt work so an expert can write policy quicker" - there's people working on policy editors for SELinux that address this as well. It is however a dis-service to conflate this with "makes it easy for non-experts to write policy". Yes, they may be able to "write policy" easily. The question is whether it enables then to "write *correct* policy" (easily, or at all).....