From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org via listexpand id S1030351AbWGaT3G (ORCPT ); Mon, 31 Jul 2006 15:29:06 -0400 Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org id S1030352AbWGaT3G (ORCPT ); Mon, 31 Jul 2006 15:29:06 -0400 Received: from lug-owl.de ([195.71.106.12]:28853 "EHLO lug-owl.de") by vger.kernel.org with ESMTP id S1030351AbWGaT3F (ORCPT ); Mon, 31 Jul 2006 15:29:05 -0400 Date: Mon, 31 Jul 2006 21:29:03 +0200 From: Jan-Benedict Glaw To: Clay Barnes Cc: Rudy Zijlstra , Adrian Ulrich , vonbrand@inf.utfsm.cl, ipso@snappymail.ca, reiser@namesys.com, lkml@lpbproductions.com, jeff@garzik.org, tytso@mit.edu, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, reiserfs-list@namesys.com Subject: Re: the " 'official' point of view" expressed by kernelnewbies.org regarding reiser4 inclusion Message-ID: <20060731192902.GS31121@lug-owl.de> Mail-Followup-To: Clay Barnes , Rudy Zijlstra , Adrian Ulrich , vonbrand@inf.utfsm.cl, ipso@snappymail.ca, reiser@namesys.com, lkml@lpbproductions.com, jeff@garzik.org, tytso@mit.edu, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, reiserfs-list@namesys.com References: <200607241806.k6OI6uWY006324@laptop13.inf.utfsm.cl> <20060731125846.aafa9c7c.reiser4@blinkenlights.ch> <20060731144736.GA1389@merlin.emma.line.org> <20060731175958.1626513b.reiser4@blinkenlights.ch> <20060731162224.GJ31121@lug-owl.de> <20060731173239.GO31121@lug-owl.de> <20060731181120.GA9667@merlin.emma.line.org> <20060731184314.GQ31121@lug-owl.de> <20060731191712.GE17206@HAL_5000D.tc.ph.cox.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="r3KnbM2MoJFBL7Dl" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20060731191712.GE17206@HAL_5000D.tc.ph.cox.net> X-Operating-System: Linux mail 2.6.12.3lug-owl X-gpg-fingerprint: 250D 3BCF 7127 0D8C A444 A961 1DBD 5E75 8399 E1BB X-gpg-key: wwwkeys.de.pgp.net X-Echelon-Enable: howto poison arsenous mail psychological biological nuclear warfare test the bombastical terror of flooding the spy listeners explosion sex drugs and rock'n'roll X-TKUeV: howto poison arsenous mail psychological biological nuclear warfare test the bombastical terror of flooding the spy listeners explosion sex drugs and rock'n'roll User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.9i Sender: linux-kernel-owner@vger.kernel.org X-Mailing-List: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org --r3KnbM2MoJFBL7Dl Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Mon, 2006-07-31 12:17:12 -0700, Clay Barnes wrot= e: > On 20:43 Mon 31 Jul , Jan-Benedict Glaw wrote: > > On Mon, 2006-07-31 20:11:20 +0200, Matthias Andree wrote: > > > Jan-Benedict Glaw schrieb am 2006-07-31: [Crippled DMA writes] > > > Massive hardware problems don't count. ext2/ext3 doesn't look much be= tter in > > > such cases. I had a machine with RAM gone bad (no ECC - I wonder what > >=20 > > They do! Very much, actually. These happen In Real Life, so I have to >=20 > I think what he meant was that it is unfair to blame reiser3 for data > loss in a massive failure situation as a case example by itself. What Crippling a few KB of metadata in the ext{2,3} case probably wouldn't fobar the filesystem... > failure robustness counts... " This of course assumes you actually had > the *exact* same problem with hardware under ext3, pretty much in every > detail. Of course, so many subtleties interact in massive ways with The point is that it's quite hard to really fuck up ext{2,3} with only some KB being written while it seems (due to the fragile^Wsophisticated on-disk data structures) that it's just easy to kill a reiser3 filesystem. MfG, JBG --=20 Jan-Benedict Glaw jbglaw@lug-owl.de +49-172-760= 8481 Signature of: Zensur im Internet? Nein danke! the second : --r3KnbM2MoJFBL7Dl Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" Content-Description: Digital signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.1 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFEzln+Hb1edYOZ4bsRAuvGAJ91Dr8JUemgL/p7VLScPQQGgfZsFwCeIQY9 p2hMLDRQ9eudbNCpNjwKsU4= =JHrz -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --r3KnbM2MoJFBL7Dl--