From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org via listexpand id S964786AbXA2Xrt (ORCPT ); Mon, 29 Jan 2007 18:47:49 -0500 Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org id S964845AbXA2Xrt (ORCPT ); Mon, 29 Jan 2007 18:47:49 -0500 Received: from smtp.osdl.org ([65.172.181.24]:34067 "EHLO smtp.osdl.org" rhost-flags-OK-OK-OK-OK) by vger.kernel.org with ESMTP id S964786AbXA2Xrs (ORCPT ); Mon, 29 Jan 2007 18:47:48 -0500 Date: Mon, 29 Jan 2007 15:45:18 -0800 From: Stephen Hemminger To: Linus Torvalds Cc: Thomas Gleixner , Linux Kernel Mailing List , Jeff Garzik Subject: Re: Linux 2.6.20-rc6 - sky2 resume breakage Message-ID: <20070129154518.40b0b3d3@freekitty> In-Reply-To: References: <1169931333.17469.125.camel@localhost.localdomain> <20070129113159.7ad22e4c@freekitty> <1170101430.29240.34.camel@localhost.localdomain> <20070129133849.1b523226@freekitty> <1170109401.29240.49.camel@localhost.localdomain> <20070129144055.151cfe52@freekitty> Organization: Linux Foundation X-Mailer: Sylpheed-Claws 2.5.0-rc3 (GTK+ 2.10.6; x86_64-pc-linux-gnu) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: linux-kernel-owner@vger.kernel.org X-Mailing-List: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org On Mon, 29 Jan 2007 15:04:06 -0800 (PST) Linus Torvalds wrote: > > > On Mon, 29 Jan 2007, Stephen Hemminger wrote: > > > > MSI works fine for almost all systems (except AMD systems where > > MSI is broken for ALL devices). > > Why do you ignore reality? > > MSI does *not* work fine, exactly because the firmware screws it up. > > The fact that on a "hardware level" it may work is totally irrelevant. The > *only* thing that matters is what people actually see. > > "Positivism" may not be a hot philosophy these days any more, but dang, it > certainly is better than what you seem to espouse: "in theory things work > fine". > > And if you don't like positivism, how about just simple scientific method: > a theory is *proven*wrong* by a single observation to the opposite. And we > have several people standing up saying that your theory is wrong. > > Linus Why do you insist on maintaining the wrong initialization order on resume? When I raised the issue, Len brought up that the resume order did not match spec, but then there has been slow progress in fixing it (it's buried in -mm tree). -- Stephen Hemminger