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[Mike Miller]

You are probably correct. Charter.net has frequent short 
outages for various  reasons. I thought it would take a day or 
two to get dropped from the list. 

It's not that hard to re-sub if I don't see any traffic for a few 
days.

On 18 May 02, at 11:00, Ray Olszewski wrote:
 
> Mike--
> 
> I doubt your problem with this list derives from being a lurker. It is more
> likely that your e-mail address suffers, as many do, from short periods of
> being unreachable.
> 

> 


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At 12:41 PM 5/18/02 -0500, Mike Miller wrote:
>It seems that majordomo doesn't like lurkers. I find that I have 
>to re-subscribe several times a year.

Mike--

I doubt your problem with this list derives from being a lurker. It is more
likely that your e-mail address suffers, as many do, from short periods of
being unreachable.

Although normal SMTP practice is to queue and retry when e-mail is
undeliverable, mailing lists have special problems in this area. People all
too commonly forget to unsubscribe from mailing lists when their e-mail
addresses change (or they have no opportunity to, for example if they are
laid off). A majordomo or Mailman list can get dozens of bounces each day
from a single bad address.

As a consequence, many list-management setups automatically unsubscribe
unreachable addresses *very* quickly, so that a service interruption of an
hour or two (hardly a rare thing) can knock you off the list. It's tough on
subscribers, but not doing something like this is murderously tough on list
managers. (I don't manage this list, but I have managed other lists in the
past, and I know the problems from experience.)

In your case, I did check and your mail is at risk of interruption. Your ISP
appears to provide a backup server in case its main mail server goes down,
but in reality both FQNs resolve to the same IP address ... so they don't
have a real backup if there is a service interruption. Here are the details:

collier:~$ host -t MX charter.net
charter.net             MX      5 mx01.charter.net
charter.net             MX      10 mail.charter.net
collier:~$ host mx01.charter.net
mx01.charter.net        A       209.225.8.223
collier:~$ host mail.charter.net
mail.charter.net        A       209.225.8.223
collier:~$


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I'd guess that when people are unsubscribed unintentionally here, a
transient interruption in e-mail service at their end is the most likely cause.


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[Mike Miller]

It seems that majordomo doesn't like lurkers. I find that I have 
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[Haines Brown]

I've got the opposite problem: I receive messages, but my ISP's mail
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recognize vger.kernel.org as a valid domain.

I.e., this is a test message to see if things have improved. 

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[Petre Bandac]

it happened to me once; the solution is to subscribe again (with the same 
mail address, of course)

can't think what could be the reasons ...

HTH,

petre



On Thursday 16 May 2002 16:22, G Anna wrote using one of his keyboards:
> Hello All!
>
> This is a test mail.  I am not receiving any mail from this mailing
> list.  And I don't know why.  All the mail that I send to this mailing
> list seems to disappear into thin air.  So this is a test mail.  If
> you people see this mail via the mailing list, kindly intimate me
> offlist.  Perhaps, I have been un-subscribed automagically?
>
> Cheers,
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Hello All!

This is a test mail.  I am not receiving any mail from this mailing
list.  And I don't know why.  All the mail that I send to this mailing
list seems to disappear into thin air.  So this is a test mail.  If
you people see this mail via the mailing list, kindly intimate me
offlist.  Perhaps, I have been un-subscribed automagically?

Cheers,
anna

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[szonyi calin]

--- "Dr. Kelsey Hudson"
<kernel@blackhole.compendium-tech.com> wrote:
> On Mon, 30 Jul 2001, Ignacio Vazquez-Abrams wrote:
> 
> > Don't get me wrong. I'm no fan of Outlook or OE,
> but you can't just step on
> > people who use them.
> 
> Sure you can. Microsoft has done that for decades.
> Look where it got them!
> 

And still does.
And people are too stupid to enjoy this.
Just watch the news on CNN: it's internet the one
which is not secure not Micro$oft's operating sistems.
:-)

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[Dr. Kelsey Hudson]

On Mon, 30 Jul 2001, Ignacio Vazquez-Abrams wrote:

> Don't get me wrong. I'm no fan of Outlook or OE, but you can't just step on
> people who use them.

Sure you can. Microsoft has done that for decades. Look where it got them!

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Re: Test mail

[Dr. Kelsey Hudson]

> On Sun, 29 Jul 2001, Paul G. Allen wrote:
>
> > Well The e-mail looks like it may be a variation on SirCam or Code Red
> > (I could be wrong). It appears to have its own mailer attached (from
> > what I saw in the header - I have not opened the attached .zip) and it
> > came from:
> >
> > cx852567-a.ocnsd1.sdca.home.com
> >
> > Oceanside, California, USA (about 30 miles North of me).

About the same distance from me, also. a cable modem user on the @home
network....

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 Software Engineer
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Re: Test mail

[Alexander V. Bilichenko]

Is too silly to speak about what you most likely did not see at all.  All
security BUGS can be fixed checking "more restricted". If it configured
correctly all should be ok.
I use Outlook and I have never been infected with any email virus because of
it.
Best regards,
       Alexander      mailto:dmor@7ka.mipt.ru
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----- Original Message -----
From: "christophe barbé" <christophe.barbe@lineo.fr>
To: <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>
Sent: Tuesday, July 31, 2001 12:34 PM
Subject: Re: Test mail


>
> Le lun, 30 jui 2001 22:23:03, William Scott Lockwood III a écrit :
> > Basically, I use a hotmail and Outlook Express to help me SORT messages
> > on LKML.  It makes it MUCH easier for me to find the messages I want to
> > read vs the rest of the noise that I don't understand yet.
>
> Sick ...
>
> And btw you should read the various HotMail agreements you have signed.
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Re: Test mail

[Matti Aarnio]

On Mon, Jul 30, 2001 at 06:17:31PM +0200, christophe barbé wrote:
> Would it not be simple and effective to filter out mail produced by Outlook?

   No.   If you look carefully, you would be surprised at how many are
   using OutlookSExpress to handle their email.

   Of course in case of Viruses using OE security bugs, we all are seeing
   the distilled evil.

   It is analogous on how I am seeing the UNRELIABILITY of people's email
   systems.   I see only failure cases, never succesfull deliveries!


   If you want to discuss on how to put stricter filters of things
   into VGER's Majordomo, you can do that with <postmaster@vger.kernel.org>

   Doing it at lists is waste of time, and misses *MY* attention!


/Matti Aarnio <matti.aarnio@zmailer.org>
		Co-postmaster of vger.kernel.org

Re: Test mail

[christophe barbé]

Hi William Scott Lockwood III,

In your mails, you use outlook and hotmail together.
This is a mistake.

Outlook is a "not so bad idea" but which comes with a collection of
security holes. Eudora is definetly a better choice.

Hotmail is a http-based mail owned by microsoft. And all contents which go
in it become potential Microsoft content (there's a kind of implicit
copyright transfert between you end Microsoft).
You should read carrefully what you have (implicitly perhaps) signed.
You should avoid Hotmail. This is not related to M$ against Linux but to
your rights (to access and only you to your data)  against M$ profits. From
the Microsoft point of view, Hotmail License is an improvment over the way
they lock their clients by using proprietary (embraced-and-extanded)
protocols and standarts.  
Hotmail was the first site to use Microsoft Passport, which is the a draft
of .Net. If you accept Hotmail today you will accept the worst of .Net
tomorrow.

btw You said that Microsoft comes with good solutions.
This view (linux is not user friendly) is partly wrong because what is said
to be not user friendly is caused by people not accepting differences.
M$ users are scared by what we call the unix-way.

To conclude and I will stop following this thread, I'm against adding IQ
test in the lkml subscribe process.

Christophe

PS: I don't remember the name but there is a unix tool that provide
everything for MsExchange sharing facilities.

Le mar, 31 jui 2001 13:42:20, William Scott Lockwood III a écrit :
> Sick?  No.
> 
> As much as we dislike M$'s marketing practices, one has to admit that
> they DO come up with some GOOD solutions to problems, they just bundle
> them into BAD implementations that are non-free.
> 
> As I said earlier, the problem isn't hotmail - the problem is attitudes
> like yours.
> 
> Scott
> 
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "christophe barbé" <christophe.barbe@lineo.fr>
> To: <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>
> Sent: Tuesday, July 31, 2001 3:34 AM
> Subject: Re: Test mail
> 
> 
> 
> Le lun, 30 jui 2001 22:23:03, William Scott Lockwood III a écrit :
> > Basically, I use a hotmail and Outlook Express to help me SORT
> messages
> > on LKML.  It makes it MUCH easier for me to find the messages I want
> to
> > read vs the rest of the noise that I don't understand yet.
> 
> Sick ...
> 
> And btw you should read the various HotMail agreements you have signed.
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> 
> 
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Re: Test mail

[William Scott Lockwood III]

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Here you have hit on the real problem.

I got hit with a virus this way once long ago - I did something about
it.  No more problems.  IN fact, anyone who's using McAfee to scan their
mail under 9x/NT is fine.  Even if they try to open the attachment.

So banning Outlook/Hotmail is not the answer.  Education is.

Scott

----- Original Message -----
From: "christophe barbé" <christophe.barbe@lineo.fr>
To: <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>
Sent: Tuesday, July 31, 2001 3:27 AM
Subject: Re: Test mail


My proposal to block mail composed with Outlook was half serious but I
believe that the reason behind this half serious side is that it
educates
users.

Re: Test mail

[William Scott Lockwood III]

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Sick?  No.

As much as we dislike M$'s marketing practices, one has to admit that
they DO come up with some GOOD solutions to problems, they just bundle
them into BAD implementations that are non-free.

As I said earlier, the problem isn't hotmail - the problem is attitudes
like yours.

Scott

----- Original Message -----
From: "christophe barbé" <christophe.barbe@lineo.fr>
To: <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>
Sent: Tuesday, July 31, 2001 3:34 AM
Subject: Re: Test mail



Le lun, 30 jui 2001 22:23:03, William Scott Lockwood III a écrit :
> Basically, I use a hotmail and Outlook Express to help me SORT
messages
> on LKML.  It makes it MUCH easier for me to find the messages I want
to
> read vs the rest of the noise that I don't understand yet.

Sick ...

And btw you should read the various HotMail agreements you have signed.
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Re: Test mail

[christophe barbé]

Le lun, 30 jui 2001 22:23:03, William Scott Lockwood III a écrit :
> Basically, I use a hotmail and Outlook Express to help me SORT messages
> on LKML.  It makes it MUCH easier for me to find the messages I want to
> read vs the rest of the noise that I don't understand yet.

Sick ...

And btw you should read the various HotMail agreements you have signed.

Re: Test mail

[christophe barbé]

My proposal to block mail composed with Outlook was half serious but I
believe that the reason behind this half serious side is that it educates
users.

I don't care when I receive a virus. But It means that somebody lurking
lkml has most likely launch an unknown attachment. 
And this is the main way viruses are propagated. Only a small number of
viruses use Outlook giant security hole that allows to execute an
attachment without user action (other that viewing the mail). Sircam like
ILoveYou&co need help from stupid (uneducated) user.

So if you forbid Outlook and explain why, people becomes more aware of this
problem.
And this is important, specially important on this RED CODE day where even
Microsoft advices its NT users to shutdown their machine. I would not be
astonished to have Internet problem today due to the wasted bandwidth.

Christophe   


Le lun, 30 jui 2001 20:33:55, Gregory Maxwell a écrit :
> On Mon, Jul 30, 2001 at 03:19:17PM -0400, Albert D. Cahalan wrote:
> > Torrey Hoffman writes:
> > > I hate to jump in and extend this mostly off-topic thread, but I
> would be
> > > a little annoyed if Outlook was banned from LKML.  I've got two
> machines
> > > on my desk here at work - one is Win2K, and is used almost
> exclusively for 
> [snip]
> > This does not mean you have to use Outlook to _send_ mail to
> > the linux-kernel mailing list. Do this:
> 
> There already are readers of LKML who filter listmail from
> Outlook/'Internet
> mail server' into /dev/null.
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Re: Test mail

[Ragnar Hojland Espinosa]

On Mon, Jul 30, 2001 at 05:14:30PM -0400, Horst von Brand wrote:
> Justin Guyett <justin@soze.net> said:

How was it.. Be conservative in what you send, and liberal in what you
accept? 

It took Rik (IIRC) to say he was leaving l-k to get rid of that stupid DUL
abusing thing that didn't allow him (and others, including me!) to post..
please lets not get there again. 

As Horst says, not everyone is a hard-core hacker.. now imagine one or two
of them actually had to post with, say outlook.  Would you still want to
filter it?  I'm sure not.
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Re: Test mail

[Jan Nieuwenhuizen]

Gregory Maxwell <greg@linuxpower.cx> writes:

> On Mon, Jul 30, 2001 at 03:19:17PM -0400, Albert D. Cahalan wrote:
> There already are readers of LKML who filter listmail from
> Outlook/'Internet

  /hotmail.com

> mail server' into /dev/null.

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Re: Test mail

[Admin Mailing Lists]

4 words.. mail server virus scanner.

btw, does anyone know of (and please reply off-list as this is way OT)
any virus scanners for unix-type MTAs that keep an updated virii db
on-server via automatic remote updates from virus centers like symantec
(or anywhere else that would have an updated list of virii to plug into
the local db)?

-Tony
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On Mon, 30 Jul 2001, Per Jessen wrote:

> >On Mon, 30 Jul 2001 13:38:02 -0400 (EDT), Ignacio Vazquez-Abrams wrote:
> >
> >On Mon, 30 Jul 2001, Albert D. Cahalan wrote:
> >
> >> Banning Outlook isn't so bad. Assuming you are stuck with Windows,
> >> you still have many choices. Netscape/Mozilla and Eudora would be
> >> the obvious choices. I think you can get pine. Emacs has been
> >> ported to Windows, so you have the rmail/gnus stuff. Surely you
> >> can tolerate at least one of these many choices.
> >
> >The problem is that in plenty of large companies not only are you stuck with
> >Windows, but you're also stuck with either Outlook or Notes because of
> >corporate decisions (i.e., Exchange or Domino). Trust me; been there, done
> >that.
> 
> And me. And in reality there is nothing really wrong with that. The world
> isn't black and white - it's not Windows or Linux either. For a corporation
> of eg. 20.000 Windows desktops, you need a lot of convincing to switch the desktop
> to Linux. Even if one of your core products is Linux based. 
> The fact is that your corporate desktop has little or nothing to do with your 
> products. Get it ? If that WERE the case, a lot of the corporations still 
> writing and shipping OS/390 software would have a serious problem. 
> (been there and done that too)
> 
> So, please, don't blame Outlook in this context - it IS a user problem - Outlook
> is just a *relatively* innocent mail-client. 
> 
> 
> 
> regards,
> Per Jessen, Zurich
> 
> Windows 2001: "I'm sorry Dave ...  I'm afraid I can't do that."
> (borrowed from zinc.anode@enidan.com)
> 
> 
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Re: Test mail

[Horst von Brand]

Justin Guyett <justin@soze.net> said:

[...]

> Hmm... linux developers at large corporations are stuck with [only]
> windows?

What about would-be Linux hackers, or people running Linux (il)legally on
some machines inside a WinXX shop? Want to leave them out for good? Not
everybody on lkml is a hard-core kernel hacker...

Now, banning some attachment types I could understand...
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Re: Test mail

[William Scott Lockwood III]

Basically, I use a hotmail and Outlook Express to help me SORT messages
on LKML.  It makes it MUCH easier for me to find the messages I want to
read vs the rest of the noise that I don't understand yet.

One thing is certain:  It is impossible to have a collection of geeks
this large, and not have some of them display the sort of egotistical
attitude that makes them go "Oh, he's using OE?  Well, I shall thumb my
nose in his general direction!  We should only allow
<Pine|Mutt|Emacs|Other> on this list.  Sniff.  Sniff.".

Just ignore it.  I do.  I learn more and more from this list everyday,
and if someone doesn't want to read what I have to say because of the
software I use to read the list, then I guess I'm not all that
interested in them reading it anyway.  :-)

Regards,
Scott
webmaster, http://www.geekizoid.com/ <-- Running Linux...

----- Original Message -----
From: "Per Jessen" <per@computer.org>
To: <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>
Sent: Monday, July 30, 2001 2:59 PM
Subject: Re: Test mail


| >On Mon, 30 Jul 2001 15:19:17 -0400 (EDT), Albert D. Cahalan wrote:
| >
| >Torrey Hoffman writes:
| >
| >> I hate to jump in and extend this mostly off-topic thread, but I
would be
| >> a little annoyed if Outlook was banned from LKML.  I've got two
machines
| >> on my desk here at work - one is Win2K, and is used almost
exclusively for
| >> Outlook and Word.  It's very difficult to give those up when the
rest of
| >> the company uses them extensively.  The automatic meeting
scheduling and
| >> other MS Exchange features of Outlook are not available in other
clients,
| >> and why should I switch when Outlook works fine?
|
| Completely agree. I am in the exact same situation. I need/want to
follow
| Linux development, but my corporate desktop is MS, Outlook etc.
| What's wrong with that ? (my development systems are not connected to
| anything else but our internal network.)
|
| >> Of course the other computer runs Linux, and is where all my real
work
| >> gets done.  It's convenient to have both environments.
| >
| >This does not mean you have to use Outlook to _send_ mail to
| >the linux-kernel mailing list. Do this:
| >
| >1. log into the Linux box you have
| >2. run emacs
| >3. Control-x m
| >4. fill in the header fields and write your message
| >5. Control-c Control-c
|
| Bollocks. Look, the main target here is practicality, and what
| you just demonstrated was plainly impractical.
|
| >If you really must send mail directly from the Windows box,
| >get emacs for Windows and skip step 1 above.
|
| This is an awful lot of effort just to overcome some peoples
| failure to avoid double-clicking on attachments in Outlook.
|
| >
| >BTW, if you can't log into anything that can open an SMTP connection
| >to the outside world and don't have a relay, then most likely your
| >employer doesn't want you sending stuff to linux-kernel anyway.
|
| Disagree. See above and join life in the real world.
|
|
| regards,
| Per Jessen, Zurich.
|
| regards,
| Per Jessen

Re: Test mail

[Per Jessen]

>On Mon, 30 Jul 2001 13:38:02 -0400 (EDT), Ignacio Vazquez-Abrams wrote:
>
>On Mon, 30 Jul 2001, Albert D. Cahalan wrote:
>
>> Banning Outlook isn't so bad. Assuming you are stuck with Windows,
>> you still have many choices. Netscape/Mozilla and Eudora would be
>> the obvious choices. I think you can get pine. Emacs has been
>> ported to Windows, so you have the rmail/gnus stuff. Surely you
>> can tolerate at least one of these many choices.
>
>The problem is that in plenty of large companies not only are you stuck with
>Windows, but you're also stuck with either Outlook or Notes because of
>corporate decisions (i.e., Exchange or Domino). Trust me; been there, done
>that.

And me. And in reality there is nothing really wrong with that. The world
isn't black and white - it's not Windows or Linux either. For a corporation
of eg. 20.000 Windows desktops, you need a lot of convincing to switch the desktop
to Linux. Even if one of your core products is Linux based. 
The fact is that your corporate desktop has little or nothing to do with your 
products. Get it ? If that WERE the case, a lot of the corporations still 
writing and shipping OS/390 software would have a serious problem. 
(been there and done that too)

So, please, don't blame Outlook in this context - it IS a user problem - Outlook
is just a *relatively* innocent mail-client. 



regards,
Per Jessen, Zurich

Windows 2001: "I'm sorry Dave ...  I'm afraid I can't do that."
(borrowed from zinc.anode@enidan.com)

Re: Test mail

[Per Jessen]

>On Mon, 30 Jul 2001 15:19:17 -0400 (EDT), Albert D. Cahalan wrote:
>
>Torrey Hoffman writes:
>
>> I hate to jump in and extend this mostly off-topic thread, but I would be
>> a little annoyed if Outlook was banned from LKML.  I've got two machines
>> on my desk here at work - one is Win2K, and is used almost exclusively for 
>> Outlook and Word.  It's very difficult to give those up when the rest of
>> the company uses them extensively.  The automatic meeting scheduling and
>> other MS Exchange features of Outlook are not available in other clients, 
>> and why should I switch when Outlook works fine?  

Completely agree. I am in the exact same situation. I need/want to follow
Linux development, but my corporate desktop is MS, Outlook etc. 
What's wrong with that ? (my development systems are not connected to 
anything else but our internal network.)

>> Of course the other computer runs Linux, and is where all my real work
>> gets done.  It's convenient to have both environments.
>
>This does not mean you have to use Outlook to _send_ mail to
>the linux-kernel mailing list. Do this:
>
>1. log into the Linux box you have
>2. run emacs
>3. Control-x m
>4. fill in the header fields and write your message
>5. Control-c Control-c

Bollocks. Look, the main target here is practicality, and what
you just demonstrated was plainly impractical.

>If you really must send mail directly from the Windows box,
>get emacs for Windows and skip step 1 above.

This is an awful lot of effort just to overcome some peoples
failure to avoid double-clicking on attachments in Outlook.

>
>BTW, if you can't log into anything that can open an SMTP connection
>to the outside world and don't have a relay, then most likely your
>employer doesn't want you sending stuff to linux-kernel anyway.

Disagree. See above and join life in the real world.


regards,
Per Jessen, Zurich.

regards,
Per Jessen

RE: Test mail

[Torrey Hoffman]

Albert D. Cahalan wrote:

> This does not mean you have to use Outlook to _send_ mail to
> the linux-kernel mailing list. Do this:

[...]

(sigh.) So you want me to change the way I (and other people) work 
so.... Why was it again?  So we can block the one message in 1000 
that contains a Windows virus and was sent from Outlook?  

and, incidentally, block bug reports and other potentially useful 
mail and valid help requests from people who may not be subscribed, 
may be having difficulty installing Linux... 

And you think that's better than just blocking the viruses, or 
binary attachments in general, or something else more rational?

Please.

Torrey

Re: Test mail

[Colonel]

In clouddancer.list.kernel, you wrote:
>
>On Mon, 30 Jul 2001, Ignacio Vazquez-Abrams wrote:
>
>> The problem is that in plenty of large companies not only are you stuck with
>> Windows, but you're also stuck with either Outlook or Notes because of
>> corporate decisions (i.e., Exchange or Domino). Trust me; been there, done
>> that.
>
>Hmm... linux developers at large corporations are stuck with [only]
>windows?  How do they get anything done?  Just because you're stuck with
>outlook for scheduling or whatever doesn't mean you can't send to mailing
>lists from another mailer, another OS, or another country.

I've dealt with "you've gotta run" before.  I had the required
hardware & software running over in the corner, with shared disk space
or remote access from the linux box on the desktop.  It wasn't easy,
but I simply stuck to my insistance that I _needed_ this (only one
example required) and that I was meeting the company's requirements.
Nowdays, that situation is on my checklist to determine if I want to
work there.

The really funny thing about the initial email is the amount of
interest in the followups and their meanderings.


-- 
Windows 2001: "I'm sorry Dave ...  I'm afraid I can't do that."

Re: Test mail

[Albert D. Cahalan]

Torrey Hoffman writes:

> I hate to jump in and extend this mostly off-topic thread, but I would be
> a little annoyed if Outlook was banned from LKML.  I've got two machines
> on my desk here at work - one is Win2K, and is used almost exclusively for 
> Outlook and Word.  It's very difficult to give those up when the rest of
> the company uses them extensively.  The automatic meeting scheduling and
> other MS Exchange features of Outlook are not available in other clients, 
> and why should I switch when Outlook works fine?  
>
> Of course the other computer runs Linux, and is where all my real work
> gets done.  It's convenient to have both environments.

This does not mean you have to use Outlook to _send_ mail to
the linux-kernel mailing list. Do this:

1. log into the Linux box you have
2. run emacs
3. Control-x m
4. fill in the header fields and write your message
5. Control-c Control-c

If you really must send mail directly from the Windows box,
get emacs for Windows and skip step 1 above.

BTW, if you can't log into anything that can open an SMTP connection
to the outside world and don't have a relay, then most likely your
employer doesn't want you sending stuff to linux-kernel anyway.

Re: Test mail

[Gregory Maxwell]

On Mon, Jul 30, 2001 at 03:19:17PM -0400, Albert D. Cahalan wrote:
> Torrey Hoffman writes:
> > I hate to jump in and extend this mostly off-topic thread, but I would be
> > a little annoyed if Outlook was banned from LKML.  I've got two machines
> > on my desk here at work - one is Win2K, and is used almost exclusively for 
[snip]
> This does not mean you have to use Outlook to _send_ mail to
> the linux-kernel mailing list. Do this:

There already are readers of LKML who filter listmail from Outlook/'Internet
mail server' into /dev/null.

RE: Test mail

[Torrey Hoffman]

I hate to jump in and extend this mostly off-topic thread, but I would be
a little annoyed if Outlook was banned from LKML.  I've got two machines
on my desk here at work - one is Win2K, and is used almost exclusively for 
Outlook and Word.  It's very difficult to give those up when the rest of
the company uses them extensively.  The automatic meeting scheduling and
other MS Exchange features of Outlook are not available in other clients, 
and why should I switch when Outlook works fine?  

Of course the other computer runs Linux, and is where all my real work
gets done.  It's convenient to have both environments.

Why not just filter all non-text attachments instead?  Patches, log files, 
output of lspci, and the like should all be inlined anyway.  It's easy
to configure Outlook to send plain text emails, like this one - I've sent
kernel patches from Outlook before, and no one has complained.

Torrey

- - - - -

Albert D. Cahalan wrote:
> Ignacio Vazquez-Ab writes:
> > On Mon, 30 Jul 2001, christophe barbé wrote:
 
> >> Would it not be simple and effective to filter out mail produced by
> >> Outlook?

[...] 

> > Don't get me wrong. I'm no fan of Outlook or OE, but you
> > can't just step on people who use them.

[...]
 
> Banning Outlook isn't so bad. Assuming you are stuck with Windows,
> you still have many choices. Netscape/Mozilla and Eudora would be
> the obvious choices. 

[...]

Re: Test mail

[Justin Guyett]

On Mon, 30 Jul 2001, Ignacio Vazquez-Abrams wrote:

> The problem is that in plenty of large companies not only are you stuck with
> Windows, but you're also stuck with either Outlook or Notes because of
> corporate decisions (i.e., Exchange or Domino). Trust me; been there, done
> that.

Hmm... linux developers at large corporations are stuck with [only]
windows?  How do they get anything done?  Just because you're stuck with
outlook for scheduling or whatever doesn't mean you can't send to mailing
lists from another mailer, another OS, or another country.


justin

Re: Test mail

[Mike Galbraith]

On Mon, 30 Jul 2001, Albert D. Cahalan wrote:

> Ignacio Vazquez-Ab writes:
> > On Mon, 30 Jul 2001, christophe barbé wrote:
>
> >> Would it not be simple and effective to filter out mail produced by
> >> Outlook?
> >> It sounds to me the equivalent of RBL & co.
> >> RBL filter out mail from open relay used to spam us.
> >> NoOutlook filter out mail from poor software/OS used to propagate viruses.
> >>
> >> I guess that 100% of incomming viruses in lkml come from a Outlook mailer.
> >> And for the last two ones I'm sure.
> >>
> >> Christophe
> >
> > Um, that's just a little (LITTLE?!?) draconian/elitist. How about
> > putting in a handler that renames EXEs attachments and EXEs in
> > compressed files to something a little less executable?
> >
> > Don't get me wrong. I'm no fan of Outlook or OE, but you
> > can't just step on people who use them.
>
> This is a lot less draconian/elitist than banning ISPs. People
> seldom have a choice between multiple ISPs that offer affordable
> high-speed connections. Consider yourself lucky if both DSL and
> cable modem service are available and affordable in your area.
>
> Banning Outlook isn't so bad. Assuming you are stuck with Windows,
> you still have many choices. Netscape/Mozilla and Eudora would be
> the obvious choices. I think you can get pine. Emacs has been
> ported to Windows, so you have the rmail/gnus stuff. Surely you
> can tolerate at least one of these many choices.

Why bother?  The _occasional_ spam slips through the filters.  I don't
see any real difference if some weenie slips me a plain spam or a spam
with an impotent attachment I'm not going to look at anyway.  It all
costs me the same.. one 'D'+download cost.

	-Mike

Re: Test mail

[Jim Potter]

One problem with the idea of banning "MS virus express" is that most of the
lemmings stuck with MS's windows are also stuck with the MS's mail app.  If they
had the wherewithall (personal, political, whatever) to switch to a different
mail app, they'de probably know how & be able to switch the whole thing to a
better environment.


> >> Would it not be simple and effective to filter out mail produced by
> >> Outlook?
> >> It sounds to me the equivalent of RBL & co.
> >> RBL filter out mail from open relay used to spam us.
> >> NoOutlook filter out mail from poor software/OS used to propagate viruses.
> >>
> >> I guess that 100% of incomming viruses in lkml come from a Outlook mailer.
> >> And for the last two ones I'm sure.
> >>
> >> Christophe
> >
> > Um, that's just a little (LITTLE?!?) draconian/elitist. How about
> > putting in a handler that renames EXEs attachments and EXEs in
> > compressed files to something a little less executable?
> >
> > Don't get me wrong. I'm no fan of Outlook or OE, but you
> > can't just step on people who use them.
>
> This is a lot less draconian/elitist than banning ISPs. People
> seldom have a choice between multiple ISPs that offer affordable
> high-speed connections. Consider yourself lucky if both DSL and
> cable modem service are available and affordable in your area.
>
> Banning Outlook isn't so bad. Assuming you are stuck with Windows,
> you still have many choices. Netscape/Mozilla and Eudora would be
> the obvious choices. I think you can get pine. Emacs has been
> ported to Windows, so you have the rmail/gnus stuff. Surely you
> can tolerate at least one of these many choices.

--
Sincerely,

Jim Potter
45th Parallel Processing
jrp@wvi.com

Re: Test mail

[Ignacio Vazquez-Abrams]

On Mon, 30 Jul 2001, Albert D. Cahalan wrote:

> Banning Outlook isn't so bad. Assuming you are stuck with Windows,
> you still have many choices. Netscape/Mozilla and Eudora would be
> the obvious choices. I think you can get pine. Emacs has been
> ported to Windows, so you have the rmail/gnus stuff. Surely you
> can tolerate at least one of these many choices.

The problem is that in plenty of large companies not only are you stuck with
Windows, but you're also stuck with either Outlook or Notes because of
corporate decisions (i.e., Exchange or Domino). Trust me; been there, done
that.

-- 
Ignacio Vazquez-Abrams  <ignacio@openservices.net>

Re: Test mail

[Jakob Østergaard]

On Mon, Jul 30, 2001 at 06:17:31PM +0200, christophe barbé wrote:
> Would it not be simple and effective to filter out mail produced by
> Outlook?

http://unthought.net/msworms.html

> It sounds to me the equivalent of RBL & co.
> RBL filter out mail from open relay used to spam us.
> NoOutlook filter out mail from poor software/OS used to propagate viruses.

Any agent could be vulnerable.

Discrimination is hardly a viable solution.

> 
> I guess that 100% of incomming viruses in lkml come from a Outlook mailer.
> And for the last two ones I'm sure.


Life sucks get a helmet.

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Re: Test mail

[Albert D. Cahalan]

Ignacio Vazquez-Ab writes:
> On Mon, 30 Jul 2001, christophe barbé wrote:

>> Would it not be simple and effective to filter out mail produced by
>> Outlook?
>> It sounds to me the equivalent of RBL & co.
>> RBL filter out mail from open relay used to spam us.
>> NoOutlook filter out mail from poor software/OS used to propagate viruses.
>>
>> I guess that 100% of incomming viruses in lkml come from a Outlook mailer.
>> And for the last two ones I'm sure.
>>
>> Christophe
>
> Um, that's just a little (LITTLE?!?) draconian/elitist. How about
> putting in a handler that renames EXEs attachments and EXEs in
> compressed files to something a little less executable?
>
> Don't get me wrong. I'm no fan of Outlook or OE, but you
> can't just step on people who use them.

This is a lot less draconian/elitist than banning ISPs. People
seldom have a choice between multiple ISPs that offer affordable
high-speed connections. Consider yourself lucky if both DSL and
cable modem service are available and affordable in your area.

Banning Outlook isn't so bad. Assuming you are stuck with Windows,
you still have many choices. Netscape/Mozilla and Eudora would be
the obvious choices. I think you can get pine. Emacs has been
ported to Windows, so you have the rmail/gnus stuff. Surely you
can tolerate at least one of these many choices.

Re: Test mail

[Ignacio Vazquez-Abrams]

On Mon, 30 Jul 2001, christophe barbé wrote:

> Would it not be simple and effective to filter out mail produced by
> Outlook?
> It sounds to me the equivalent of RBL & co.
> RBL filter out mail from open relay used to spam us.
> NoOutlook filter out mail from poor software/OS used to propagate viruses.
>
> I guess that 100% of incomming viruses in lkml come from a Outlook mailer.
> And for the last two ones I'm sure.
>
> Christophe

Um, that's just a little (LITTLE?!?) draconian/elitist. How about putting in a
handler that renames EXEs attachments and EXEs in compressed files to
something a little
less executable?

Don't get me wrong. I'm no fan of Outlook or OE, but you can't just step on
people who use them.

-- 
Ignacio Vazquez-Abrams  <ignacio@openservices.net>

Re: Test mail

[christophe barbé]

Would it not be simple and effective to filter out mail produced by
Outlook?
It sounds to me the equivalent of RBL & co.
RBL filter out mail from open relay used to spam us.
NoOutlook filter out mail from poor software/OS used to propagate viruses.

I guess that 100% of incomming viruses in lkml come from a Outlook mailer.
And for the last two ones I'm sure.

Christophe

Le lun, 30 jui 2001 09:28:53, Riley Williams a écrit :
> Hi Rik.
> 
> On Mon, 30 Jul 2001, Rik van Riel wrote:
> 
>  > On Mon, 30 Jul 2001, Anton Altaparmakov wrote:
> 
>  >> At 23:20 29/07/2001, Mailing Server wrote:
> 
>  >>>Hi, just verifying email, enjoy the attached file.
> 
>  >> Would it be possible to have lkml setup to filter out this kind of
>  >> crap?!?
> 
>  > IIRC lkml already has pretty strict filters.
>  >
>  > However, you cannot have your filters prepared for
>  > any random thing. Eventually something will get
>  > through.
>  >
>  > It seems that this month's something just got through.
> 
> Surely it should be simple to check that each piece of mail has a from
> address in it, and either kill any that doesn't, or at least plug in
> the envelope from address in its place?
> 
> Best wishes from Riley.
> 
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Re: Test mail

[Alan Cox]

> Things like Elm, Pine, and Mutt can be as exploitable as anything else as far
> as header parsing issues are concerned. They still account for far less
> of the problems than things like Outlook do.

Only because the relative %age of the userbase is tiny. 

There have actually been some very serious pine based attacks using header
parsing bugs to steal password files. 

Re: Test mail

[Paul Mundt]

On Mon, Jul 30, 2001 at 01:15:21PM +0100, Alan Cox wrote:
> > > ELM, Pine and Mutt have all at various times had holes that could have been
> > > used to write an exact Unix equivalent of the windows virus. 
> > > <img src="file:/dev/mouse"> hangs some web browser email 4 years after the
> > > bug was reported and so on...
> > > 
> > This all goes back to opening things blindly, and also ties in the issue of
> > HTML aware email clients.
> 
> Most exploits are header parsing flaws, HTML email is irrelevant to this
> discussion.
> 
Parsing an <img> tag certainly seems to make HTML email relevant...

> > Mail clients should simply be dealing with plain text. As soon as things like
> > HTML support are introduced into the client, you have the same sort of
> > problems that you do with easily exploitable web browsers.
> 
> No. Most of them are header parsing flaws, they worked with plain text
> email just fine. In fact HTML parsing vulnerabilities (other than privacy
> violations) are pretty rare.
> 
There are far fewer header parsing exploits floating around then there are
users executing things of an unknown origin and unknowingly sending copies of
said thing to everyone in their address book.

While header parsing exploits are indeed an issue, they hardly make up the
bulk of these sort of exploits.

Things like Elm, Pine, and Mutt can be as exploitable as anything else as far
as header parsing issues are concerned. They still account for far less
of the problems than things like Outlook do.

Regards,

-- 
Paul Mundt <lethal@chaoticdreams.org>

Re: Test mail

[Alan Cox]

> > ELM, Pine and Mutt have all at various times had holes that could have been
> > used to write an exact Unix equivalent of the windows virus. 
> > <img src="file:/dev/mouse"> hangs some web browser email 4 years after the
> > bug was reported and so on...
> > 
> This all goes back to opening things blindly, and also ties in the issue of
> HTML aware email clients.

Most exploits are header parsing flaws, HTML email is irrelevant to this
discussion.

> Mail clients should simply be dealing with plain text. As soon as things like
> HTML support are introduced into the client, you have the same sort of
> problems that you do with easily exploitable web browsers.

No. Most of them are header parsing flaws, they worked with plain text
email just fine. In fact HTML parsing vulnerabilities (other than privacy
violations) are pretty rare.

Alan

Re: Test mail

[Paul Mundt]

On Mon, Jul 30, 2001 at 12:46:18PM +0100, Alan Cox wrote:
> Its more than that. Its the same smug arrogance that is going to get a lot
> of people nasty shocks one day
> 
> ELM, Pine and Mutt have all at various times had holes that could have been
> used to write an exact Unix equivalent of the windows virus. 
> <img src="file:/dev/mouse"> hangs some web browser email 4 years after the
> bug was reported and so on...
> 
This all goes back to opening things blindly, and also ties in the issue of
HTML aware email clients.

Mail clients should simply be dealing with plain text. As soon as things like
HTML support are introduced into the client, you have the same sort of
problems that you do with easily exploitable web browsers.

These things are only an issue when your mail client tries to do things for
you instead of allowing you to do them yourself. HTML emails can simply be
fed through something like a lynx -dump in order to capture their plaintext
output.

Keep HTML where it belongs, on webpages, not mail. If someone wants to send
you an image, they can do so through an attachment.

Regards,

-- 
Paul Mundt <lethal@chaoticdreams.org>

Re: Test mail

[Alan Cox]

> they ARE a big deal.  someone, somewhere pays for the traffic.  they
> didn't CHOOSE to be flooded with virii/worms.  but their upstream won't
> be nice and say "aw you got hit by some email virus i wont bill you for
> that traffic..."

Its more than that. Its the same smug arrogance that is going to get a lot
of people nasty shocks one day

ELM, Pine and Mutt have all at various times had holes that could have been
used to write an exact Unix equivalent of the windows virus. 
<img src="file:/dev/mouse"> hangs some web browser email 4 years after the
bug was reported and so on...


Alan

Re: Test mail

[john slee]

On Mon, Jul 30, 2001 at 04:07:47AM -0700, Paul Mundt wrote:
> While these things are a nuisance, they're hardly that big of a deal. These
> kind of things have existed forever, and people have somehow managed to get
> by.

they ARE a big deal.  someone, somewhere pays for the traffic.  they
didn't CHOOSE to be flooded with virii/worms.  but their upstream won't
be nice and say "aw you got hit by some email virus i wont bill you for
that traffic..."

your attitude seems similar to that of spammers.  "just press del!"

j.

-- 
"Bobby, jiggle Grandpa's rat so it looks alive, please" -- gary larson

Re: Test mail

[Paul Mundt]

On Mon, Jul 30, 2001 at 10:29:45AM +0400, Alexander V. Bilichenko wrote:
> It's not solution (ex. I like Windows as workstation because of too buggy
> and inconvenient  X, W2k does not crash at all and have much more convenient
> interface. A lot of people use Linux only on servers and connecting to it
> using SSH or smth like that), but someone should be moron to run something
> like that in zip-file.

These things are just the internet's way of natural population control. Those
people who execute things blindly of their own accord deserve whatever happens
to them.

While these things are a nuisance, they're hardly that big of a deal. These
kind of things have existed forever, and people have somehow managed to get
by.

If people are that concerned that they might possibly be exploited by it,
they have a number of solutions:

	1) Get a real OS
	2) Get a real Email client
	3) Apply common sense where possible

These 3 easy steps are the quickest way to abolish these kind of things once
and for all.

Regards,

-- 
Paul Mundt <lethal@chaoticdreams.org>

Re: Test mail

[Chris Crowther]

On Sun, 29 Jul 2001, Paul G. Allen wrote:

> Well The e-mail looks like it may be a variation on SirCam or Code Red
> (I could be wrong). It appears to have its own mailer attached (from
> what I saw in the header - I have not opened the attached .zip) and it
> came from:

	It got caught by my AMaViS scan - apparently it's Worm.Music.

	Erm, appologise to everyone if it send the alert to the list - it
sends warning to the message sender as well...I think I might need to do
some modification to how it picks the person to warn.

-- 
Chris "_Shad0w_" Crowther
shad0w@shad0w.org.uk
http://www.shad0w.org.uk/

Re: Test mail

[Paul G. Allen]

Lew Wolfgang wrote:
> 
> Hi Paul,
> 
> I forwarded the message to a Trend Micro based smtp Viruswall
> which reported it as the TROJ_MUSIC.B virus.  Trend reports
> it as being a non-destructive, low-risk virus that plays a
> tune (taps?) when activated.
> 
> Even a low-risk virus can be a pain to exorcise, I hope that
> no one here was infected.
> 

Music anyone? ;-)


-- 
Paul G. Allen
UNIX Admin II/Network Security
Akamai Technologies, Inc.
www.akamai.com

Re: Test mail

[Riley Williams]

Hi Rik.

On Mon, 30 Jul 2001, Rik van Riel wrote:

 > On Mon, 30 Jul 2001, Anton Altaparmakov wrote:

 >> At 23:20 29/07/2001, Mailing Server wrote:

 >>>Hi, just verifying email, enjoy the attached file.

 >> Would it be possible to have lkml setup to filter out this kind of
 >> crap?!?

 > IIRC lkml already has pretty strict filters.
 >
 > However, you cannot have your filters prepared for
 > any random thing. Eventually something will get
 > through.
 >
 > It seems that this month's something just got through.

Surely it should be simple to check that each piece of mail has a from
address in it, and either kill any that doesn't, or at least plug in
the envelope from address in its place?

Best wishes from Riley.

Re: Test mail

[Lew Wolfgang]

Hi Paul,

I forwarded the message to a Trend Micro based smtp Viruswall
which reported it as the TROJ_MUSIC.B virus.  Trend reports
it as being a non-destructive, low-risk virus that plays a
tune (taps?) when activated.

Even a low-risk virus can be a pain to exorcise, I hope that
no one here was infected.

Regards,
Lew Wolfgang

On Sun, 29 Jul 2001, Paul G. Allen wrote:

> Well The e-mail looks like it may be a variation on SirCam or Code Red
> (I could be wrong). It appears to have its own mailer attached (from
> what I saw in the header - I have not opened the attached .zip) and it
> came from:
>
> cx852567-a.ocnsd1.sdca.home.com
>
> Oceanside, California, USA (about 30 miles North of me).

Re: Test mail

[Alexander V. Bilichenko]

It's not solution (ex. I like Windows as workstation because of too buggy
and inconvenient  X, W2k does not crash at all and have much more convenient
interface. A lot of people use Linux only on servers and connecting to it
using SSH or smth like that), but someone should be moron to run something
like that in zip-file.
Best regards,
Alexander         mailto:dmor@7ka.mipt.ru
------------------------------------------------------
Let's start the war, said Muggy
------------------------------------------------------
From: "Paul G. Allen" <pgallen@randomlogic.com>
To: <unlisted-recipients:>; <no To-header on input>
Cc: <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>
Sent: Monday, July 30, 2001 10:09 AM
Subject: Re: Test mail


> My solution to 99.9% of the trojan/virus problems:
>
> I don't run Windows, and I don't enable Java/Javascript for mail, news,
> and web sites (unless I trust the site, I MUST view it, and it requires
> Java/Javascript).
>
> PGA
>
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> UNIX Admin II/Network Security
> Akamai Technologies, Inc.
> www.akamai.com
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Re: Test mail

[Paul G. Allen]

Well The e-mail looks like it may be a variation on SirCam or Code Red
(I could be wrong). It appears to have its own mailer attached (from
what I saw in the header - I have not opened the attached .zip) and it
came from:

cx852567-a.ocnsd1.sdca.home.com

Oceanside, California, USA (about 30 miles North of me).

If this is someone on this list (I'm not about to search all the headers
of all the mail in my mailbox to find who it is) - and I believe it very
well may be - then it's time to re-install Windows.

(Oh, and I wouldn't use MS Oulook anymore, and be careful with Netscape
mail as well.)

PGA

-- 
Paul G. Allen
UNIX Admin II/Network Security
Akamai Technologies, Inc.
www.akamai.com

Re: Test mail

[Paul G. Allen]

My solution to 99.9% of the trojan/virus problems:

I don't run Windows, and I don't enable Java/Javascript for mail, news,
and web sites (unless I trust the site, I MUST view it, and it requires
Java/Javascript).

PGA

-- 
Paul G. Allen
UNIX Admin II/Network Security
Akamai Technologies, Inc.
www.akamai.com

Re: Test mail

[Rik van Riel]

On Mon, 30 Jul 2001, Anton Altaparmakov wrote:
> At 23:20 29/07/2001, Mailing Server wrote:
> >Hi, just verifying email, enjoy the attached file.
>
> Would it be possible to have lkml setup to filter out this kind of crap?!?

IIRC lkml already has pretty strict filters.

However, you cannot have your filters prepared for
any random thing. Eventually something will get
through.

It seems that this month's something just got through.

such is life,

Rik
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Re: Test mail

[Anton Altaparmakov]

At 23:20 29/07/2001, Mailing Server wrote:
>Hi, just verifying email, enjoy the attached file.

Would it be possible to have lkml setup to filter out this kind of crap?!?

It had no valid email addresses as From: nor To:...

And if anyone running Windows without an anti virus checker for email 
didn't notice, the zipped attachment had a virus in it...

Cheers,

Anton


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Test mail

[Mailing Server]

[-- Attachment #1: Type: text/plain, Size: 51 bytes --]

Hi, just verifying email, enjoy the attached file.

[-- Attachment #2: wishyou.zip --]
[-- Type: application/x-zip-compressed, Size: 17926 bytes --]