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From: Herbert Poetzl <herbert@13thfloor.at>
To: Kirill Korotaev <dev@sw.ru>
Cc: Paul Menage <menage@google.com>,
	pj@sgi.com, "Eric W. Biederman" <ebiederm@xmission.com>,
	winget@google.com, containers@lists.osdl.org,
	akpm@linux-foundation.org, ckrm-tech@lists.sourceforge.net,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, xemul@sw.ru
Subject: Re: [PATCH 1/2] rcfs core patch
Date: Fri, 9 Mar 2007 14:29:22 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20070309132922.GB14907@MAIL.13thfloor.at> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <45F123CF.2000902@sw.ru>

On Fri, Mar 09, 2007 at 12:07:27PM +0300, Kirill Korotaev wrote:
>>  nobody actually cares about a precise accounting and
>>  calculating shares or partitions of whatever resource,
>>  all that matters is that you have a way to prevent a
>>  potential hostile environment from sucking up all your
>>  resources (or even a single one) resulting in a DoS

> This is not true. People care. Reasons:
>   - resource planning
>   - fairness
>   - guarantees

let me make that a little more clear ...

_nobody_ cares wether a shared memory page is
accounted as full page or as fraction of a page
(depending on the number of guests sharing it)
as long as the accounted amount is substracted
correctly when the page is disposed 

so there _is_ a difference between _false_
accounting (which seems what you are referring
to in the next paragraph) and imprecise, but
consistant accounting (which is what I was 
talking about)

best,
Herbert

>   What you talk is about security only. Not the above issues.
>   So good precision is required. If there is no precision at all,
>   security sucks as well and can be exploited, e.g. for CPU
>   schedulers doing an accounting based on jiffies accounting in
>   scheduler_tick() it is easy to build an application consuming
>   90% of CPU, but ~0% from scheduler POV.

> Kirill

  reply	other threads:[~2007-03-09 13:29 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 125+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2007-03-01 13:35 [PATCH 0/2] resource control file system - aka containers on top of nsproxy! Srivatsa Vaddagiri
2007-03-01 13:45 ` [PATCH 1/2] rcfs core patch Srivatsa Vaddagiri
2007-03-01 16:31   ` Serge E. Hallyn
2007-03-01 16:46     ` Srivatsa Vaddagiri
2007-03-02  5:06   ` [ckrm-tech] " Balbir Singh
2007-03-03  9:38     ` Srivatsa Vaddagiri
2007-03-08  3:12   ` Eric W. Biederman
2007-03-08  9:10     ` Paul Menage
2007-03-09  0:38       ` Herbert Poetzl
2007-03-09  9:07         ` Kirill Korotaev
2007-03-09 13:29           ` Herbert Poetzl [this message]
2007-03-09 17:57         ` Srivatsa Vaddagiri
2007-03-10  1:19           ` Herbert Poetzl
2007-03-11 16:36             ` Serge E. Hallyn
2007-03-12 23:16               ` Herbert Poetzl
2007-03-08 10:13     ` Srivatsa Vaddagiri
2007-03-09  0:48       ` Herbert Poetzl
2007-03-09  2:35         ` Paul Jackson
2007-03-09  9:23         ` Kirill Korotaev
2007-03-09  9:38           ` Paul Jackson
2007-03-09 13:21           ` Herbert Poetzl
2007-03-11 17:09             ` Kirill Korotaev
2007-03-12 23:00               ` Herbert Poetzl
2007-03-13  8:28                 ` Kirill Korotaev
2007-03-13 13:55                   ` Herbert Poetzl
2007-03-13 14:11                     ` [ckrm-tech] " Srivatsa Vaddagiri
2007-03-13 15:52                       ` Herbert Poetzl
2007-03-09 18:14         ` Srivatsa Vaddagiri
2007-03-09 19:25           ` Paul Jackson
2007-03-10  1:00             ` Herbert Poetzl
2007-03-10  1:31               ` Paul Jackson
2007-03-10  0:56           ` Herbert Poetzl
2007-03-09 16:16       ` Serge E. Hallyn
2007-03-01 13:50 ` [PATCH 2/2] cpu_accounting controller Srivatsa Vaddagiri
2007-03-01 19:39 ` [PATCH 0/2] resource control file system - aka containers on top of nsproxy! Paul Jackson
2007-03-02 15:45   ` Kirill Korotaev
2007-03-02 16:52     ` Andrew Morton
2007-03-02 17:25       ` Kirill Korotaev
2007-03-03 17:45     ` Herbert Poetzl
2007-03-03 21:22       ` Paul Jackson
2007-03-05 17:47         ` Srivatsa Vaddagiri
2007-03-03  9:36   ` Srivatsa Vaddagiri
2007-03-03 10:21     ` Paul Jackson
2007-03-05 17:02       ` Srivatsa Vaddagiri
2007-03-03 17:32     ` Herbert Poetzl
2007-03-05 17:34       ` [ckrm-tech] " Srivatsa Vaddagiri
2007-03-05 18:39         ` Herbert Poetzl
2007-03-06 10:39           ` Srivatsa Vaddagiri
2007-03-06 13:28             ` Herbert Poetzl
2007-03-06 16:21               ` Srivatsa Vaddagiri
2007-03-07  2:32 ` Paul Menage
2007-03-07 17:30   ` Srivatsa Vaddagiri
2007-03-07 17:29     ` Paul Menage
2007-03-07 17:52       ` [ckrm-tech] " Srivatsa Vaddagiri
2007-03-07 17:32     ` Srivatsa Vaddagiri
2007-03-07 17:43     ` Serge E. Hallyn
2007-03-07 17:46       ` Paul Menage
2007-03-07 23:16         ` Eric W. Biederman
2007-03-08 11:39           ` Srivatsa Vaddagiri
2007-03-07 18:00       ` Srivatsa Vaddagiri
2007-03-07 20:58         ` Serge E. Hallyn
2007-03-07 21:20           ` Paul Menage
2007-03-07 21:59             ` Serge E. Hallyn
2007-03-07 22:13               ` Dave Hansen
2007-03-07 23:13                 ` Eric W. Biederman
2007-03-12 14:11               ` [ckrm-tech] " Srivatsa Vaddagiri
2007-03-07 22:32             ` Eric W. Biederman
2007-03-07 23:18               ` Paul Menage
2007-03-08  0:35                 ` Sam Vilain
2007-03-08  0:42                   ` Paul Menage
2007-03-08  0:53                     ` Sam Vilain
2007-03-08  0:58                       ` [ckrm-tech] " Paul Menage
2007-03-08  1:32                         ` Eric W. Biederman
2007-03-08  1:35                           ` Paul Menage
2007-03-08  2:25                             ` Eric W. Biederman
2007-03-09  0:56                             ` Herbert Poetzl
2007-03-09  0:53                           ` Herbert Poetzl
2007-03-09 18:19                             ` Srivatsa Vaddagiri
2007-03-09 19:36                               ` Paul Jackson
2007-03-09 21:52                               ` Herbert Poetzl
2007-03-09 22:06                                 ` Paul Jackson
2007-03-12 14:01                                   ` Srivatsa Vaddagiri
2007-03-12 15:15                                     ` Srivatsa Vaddagiri
2007-03-12 20:26                                     ` Paul Jackson
2007-03-09  4:30                           ` Paul Jackson
2007-03-08  2:47                         ` Sam Vilain
2007-03-08  2:57                           ` Paul Menage
2007-03-08  3:32                             ` Sam Vilain
2007-03-08  6:10                               ` Matt Helsley
2007-03-08  6:44                                 ` Eric W. Biederman
2007-03-09  1:06                                   ` Herbert Poetzl
2007-03-10  9:06                                     ` Sam Vilain
2007-03-11 21:15                                       ` Paul Jackson
2007-03-12  9:35                                         ` Sam Vilain
2007-03-12 10:00                                         ` Paul Menage
2007-03-12 23:21                                           ` Herbert Poetzl
2007-03-13  2:25                                             ` Paul Menage
2007-03-13 15:57                                               ` Herbert Poetzl
2007-03-09  4:37                                 ` Paul Jackson
2007-03-08  6:32                               ` Eric W. Biederman
2007-03-08  9:10                               ` Paul Menage
2007-03-09 16:50                                 ` Serge E. Hallyn
2007-03-22 14:08                                   ` Srivatsa Vaddagiri
2007-03-22 14:39                                     ` Serge E. Hallyn
2007-03-22 14:56                                       ` Srivatsa Vaddagiri
2007-03-09  4:27                       ` Paul Jackson
2007-03-10  8:52                         ` Sam Vilain
2007-03-10  9:11                           ` Paul Jackson
2007-03-09 16:34             ` Srivatsa Vaddagiri
2007-03-09 16:41               ` [ckrm-tech] " Srivatsa Vaddagiri
2007-03-09 22:09               ` Paul Menage
2007-03-10  2:02                 ` Srivatsa Vaddagiri
2007-03-10  3:19                   ` [ckrm-tech] " Srivatsa Vaddagiri
2007-03-12 15:07                 ` Srivatsa Vaddagiri
2007-03-12 15:56                   ` Serge E. Hallyn
2007-03-12 16:20                     ` Srivatsa Vaddagiri
2007-03-12 17:25                       ` Serge E. Hallyn
2007-03-12 21:15                       ` Sam Vilain
2007-03-12 23:31                       ` Herbert Poetzl
2007-03-13  2:22                         ` Srivatsa Vaddagiri
2007-03-08  0:50     ` Sam Vilain
2007-03-08 11:30       ` Srivatsa Vaddagiri
2007-03-09  1:16         ` Herbert Poetzl
2007-03-09 18:41           ` Srivatsa Vaddagiri
2007-03-10  2:03             ` Herbert Poetzl

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