From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) id 1LeyC9-0003LN-5y for mharc-grub-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 04 Mar 2009 16:00:01 -0500 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1LeyC7-0003L9-Un for grub-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 04 Mar 2009 15:59:59 -0500 Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1LeyC6-0003K1-0q for grub-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 04 Mar 2009 15:59:59 -0500 Received: from [199.232.76.173] (port=38039 helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1LeyC5-0003Jc-Nf for grub-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 04 Mar 2009 15:59:57 -0500 Received: from aybabtu.com ([69.60.117.155]:36223) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS-1.0:RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:32) (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1LeyC5-0004om-7T for grub-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 04 Mar 2009 15:59:57 -0500 Received: from [192.168.10.10] (helo=thorin) by aybabtu.com with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1Ley4R-00029i-WC for grub-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 04 Mar 2009 21:52:04 +0100 Received: from rmh by thorin with local (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1LeyC0-00088f-PL for grub-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 04 Mar 2009 21:59:52 +0100 Date: Wed, 4 Mar 2009 21:59:52 +0100 From: Robert Millan To: The development of GRUB 2 Message-ID: <20090304205952.GC31201@thorin> References: <49A50DA2.20604@netsyncro.com> <49A532A3.1090007@gmail.com> <20090227210809.GK31629@thorin> <49A9260E.1020909@gmail.com> <1235881685.24700.7.camel@mj> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <1235881685.24700.7.camel@mj> Organization: free as in freedom X-Message-Flag: Worried about Outlook viruses? Switch to Thunderbird! www.mozilla.com/thunderbird X-Debbugs-No-Ack: true User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.18 (2008-05-17) X-detected-operating-system: by monty-python.gnu.org: Genre and OS details not recognized. Subject: Migrating to GRUB 2 in Debian (Re: Interesting GSoC project ideas for 09) X-BeenThere: grub-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: The development of GRUB 2 List-Id: The development of GRUB 2 List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 04 Mar 2009 21:00:00 -0000 On Sat, Feb 28, 2009 at 11:28:05PM -0500, Pavel Roskin wrote: > On Sat, 2009-02-28 at 12:54 +0100, phcoder wrote: > > Robert Millan wrote: > > > Seems nice. Would you be willing to write a summary for these? Then we > > > could add it to grub-soc.html. > > Where is this file? > > Here is elaborated list: > > In my opinion, matching all features of GRUB 1 on i386-pc should be the > highest priority. It would allow distributions to switch to GRUB 2, > bringing more users and more developers. As it stands now, GRUB 2 is > seen as something much more experimental and dangerous than GRUB 1. > > We won't win many users by the mouse and bluetooth support if distros > don't switch to the new GRUB. And distros are reluctant to make any > changes that would be seen as regressions. (Speaking as distro maintainer now) We don't need a complete match of all the GRUB Legacy features in order to migrate. The things I identified as needed for migration in Debian are listed here: http://wiki.debian.org/GrubTransition I think Xen is fixed now though (someone can confirm?). For grub-reboot / savedefault almost all the pieces are there already (thanks to bean). For lock / password we need to agree on whether the proposed approach is acceptable, or otherwise what needs to be done. -- Robert Millan The DRM opt-in fallacy: "Your data belongs to us. We will decide when (and how) you may access your data; but nobody's threatening your freedom: we still allow you to remove your data and not access it at all."