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From: Evgeniy Polyakov <zbr@ioremap.net>
To: Eric Paris <eparis@redhat.com>
Cc: Jamie Lokier <jamie@shareable.org>,
	David Miller <davem@davemloft.net>,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, linux-fsdevel@vger.kernel.org,
	netdev@vger.kernel.org, viro@zeniv.linux.org.uk,
	alan@linux.intel.com, hch@infradead.org,
	torvalds@linux-foundation.org
Subject: Re: fanotify as syscalls
Date: Wed, 16 Sep 2009 00:16:20 +0400	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20090915201620.GB32192@ioremap.net> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <1252955295.2246.35.camel@dhcp231-106.rdu.redhat.com>

On Mon, Sep 14, 2009 at 03:08:15PM -0400, Eric Paris (eparis@redhat.com) wrote:
> Just this week I got another request to look at syscalls.  So I did, I
> haven't prototyped it, but I can do it with syscalls, they would look
> like this:
> 
> int fanotify_init(int flags, int f_flags, __u64 mask, unsigned int priority);

...

> Are there demands that I convert to syscalls?  Do I really gain anything
> using 9 new inextensible syscalls over socket(), bind(), and 8
> setsockopt() calls?

In my personal opinion sockets are way much simpler and obvious than
syscalls. Also one should not edit hundred of arch-dependant headers
conflicting with other pity syscallers.

But implementing af_fanotify opens a door for zillions of other
af_something which can be implemented using existing infrastructure
namely netlink will solve likely 99% of potential usage cases.

And frankly I did not find it way too convincing that using netlink is
impossible in your scenario if some things will be simplified, namely
event merging. Moreover you can implement a pool of working threads and
postpone all the work to them and appropriate event queues, which will
allow to use rlimits for the listeners and open files 'kind of' on
behalf of those processes.

But it is quite diferent from the approach you selected and which is
more obvious indeed. So if you ask a question whether fanotify should
use sockets or syscalls, I would prefer sockets, but I still recommend
to rethink your decision to move away from netlink to be 100% sure that
it will not solve your needs.

-- 
	Evgeniy Polyakov

  reply	other threads:[~2009-09-15 20:16 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 84+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2009-09-11  5:25 [PATCH 1/8] networking/fanotify: declare fanotify socket numbers Eric Paris
2009-09-11  5:26 ` [PATCH 2/8] vfs: introduce FMODE_NONOTIFY Eric Paris
2009-09-11  5:26 ` [PATCH 3/8] fanotify: fscking all notification system Eric Paris
2009-09-11  5:26 ` [PATCH 4/8] fanotify:drop notification if they exist in the outgoing queue Eric Paris
2009-09-11  5:26 ` [PATCH 5/8] fanotify: merge notification events with different masks Eric Paris
2009-09-11  5:26 ` [PATCH 6/8] fanotify: userspace socket Eric Paris
2009-09-11  5:26 ` [PATCH 7/8] fanotify: userspace can add and remove fsnotify inode marks Eric Paris
2009-09-11  5:26 ` [PATCH 8/8] fanotify: send events to userspace over socket reads Eric Paris
2009-09-11 14:08   ` Daniel Walker
2009-09-11 14:15     ` Eric Paris
2009-09-11 14:22       ` Daniel Walker
2009-09-11 14:32       ` Daniel Walker
2009-09-11 14:32 ` [PATCH 1/8] networking/fanotify: declare fanotify socket numbers Andreas Gruenbacher
2009-09-11 16:04   ` Eric Paris
2009-09-11 18:46 ` David Miller
2009-09-11 19:33   ` Eric Paris
2009-09-11 20:46     ` Jamie Lokier
2009-09-11 21:13       ` Eric Paris
2009-09-11 21:27         ` Jamie Lokier
2009-09-11 21:51           ` Eric Paris
2009-09-12  9:41             ` Evgeniy Polyakov
2009-09-14  0:17               ` Jamie Lokier
2009-09-14 14:07                 ` Evgeniy Polyakov
2009-09-14 19:08                   ` fanotify as syscalls Eric Paris
2009-09-15 20:16                     ` Evgeniy Polyakov [this message]
2009-09-15 21:54                       ` Eric Paris
2009-09-15 23:49                         ` Linus Torvalds
2009-09-16  1:26                           ` Eric Paris
2009-09-16  7:52                             ` Jamie Lokier
2009-09-16  9:48                               ` Eric Paris
2009-09-16 12:17                                 ` Jamie Lokier
2009-09-17 20:07                                   ` Andreas Gruenbacher
2009-09-18 20:52                                     ` Eric Paris
2009-09-18 22:00                                       ` Andreas Gruenbacher
2009-09-19  3:04                                         ` Eric Paris
2009-09-21 20:04                                           ` Andreas Gruenbacher
2009-09-21 20:28                                             ` Jamie Lokier
2009-09-21 21:27                                               ` Andreas Gruenbacher
2009-09-21 22:00                                                 ` Jamie Lokier
2009-09-21 23:09                                                   ` Andreas Gruenbacher
2009-09-21 23:56                                                     ` Jamie Lokier
2009-09-21 22:18                                               ` Davide Libenzi
2009-09-21 23:12                                                 ` Jamie Lokier
2009-09-22 14:51                                                   ` Davide Libenzi
2009-09-22 15:31                                                     ` Andreas Gruenbacher
2009-09-22 16:04                                                       ` Davide Libenzi
2009-09-23  8:39                                                         ` Tvrtko Ursulin
2009-09-23 11:20                                                           ` hch
2009-09-23 15:35                                                             ` Davide Libenzi
2009-09-23 21:58                                                               ` hch
2009-09-23 11:32                                                           ` Arjan van de Ven
2009-09-23 15:42                                                             ` Tvrtko Ursulin
2009-09-23 15:51                                                             ` Eric Paris
2009-09-23 21:56                                                               ` hch
2009-09-23 15:26                                                           ` Davide Libenzi
2009-09-23 15:45                                                             ` Tvrtko Ursulin
2009-09-23 17:31                                                               ` Davide Libenzi
2009-09-22 16:11                                                       ` Eric Paris
2009-09-22 16:27                                                         ` Jamie Lokier
2009-09-22 23:43                                                           ` Davide Libenzi
2009-09-22 21:06                                             ` Eric Paris
2009-09-22 21:38                                               ` Andreas Gruenbacher
2009-09-16 10:41                               ` Alan Cox
2009-09-16 11:41                                 ` Jamie Lokier
2009-09-16 12:01                                   ` Alan Cox
2009-09-16 12:56                                     ` Jamie Lokier
2009-09-16 15:53                                       ` Eric Paris
2009-09-16 21:49                                         ` Jamie Lokier
2009-09-16 22:33                                           ` Eric Paris
2009-09-16 11:30                         ` Arnd Bergmann
2009-09-16 12:05                         ` Evgeniy Polyakov
2009-09-16 12:27                           ` Jamie Lokier
2009-09-17 16:40                             ` Linus Torvalds
2009-09-17 17:35                               ` Arjan van de Ven
2009-09-17 18:53                               ` Eric Paris
2009-09-22  0:15                               ` Eric W. Biederman
2009-09-22  0:22                                 ` Randy Dunlap
2009-09-11 21:21     ` [PATCH 1/8] networking/fanotify: declare fanotify socket numbers jamal
2009-09-11 21:42       ` Jamie Lokier
2009-09-11 22:52         ` jamal
2009-09-14  0:03           ` Jamie Lokier
2009-09-14  1:26             ` Eric Paris
2009-09-14 13:15             ` jamal
2009-09-12  9:47         ` Evgeniy Polyakov

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