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From: Ingo Molnar <mingo@elte.hu>
To: Peter Zijlstra <peterz@infradead.org>,
	Oleg Nesterov <oleg@redhat.com>,
	Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>,
	Linus Torvalds <torvalds@linux-foundation.org>
Cc: Thomas Gleixner <tglx@linutronix.de>,
	Anirban Sinha <ani@anirban.org>,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, Darren Hart <dvhltc@us.ibm.com>,
	Kaz Kylheku <kaz@zeugmasystems.com>,
	Anirban Sinha <asinha@zeugmasystems.com>
Subject: Re: futex question
Date: Mon, 5 Oct 2009 14:24:36 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20091005122436.GA5626@elte.hu> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <1254745119.26976.43.camel@twins>


* Peter Zijlstra <peterz@infradead.org> wrote:

> On Mon, 2009-10-05 at 13:59 +0200, Thomas Gleixner wrote:
>
> > Stared at the same place a minute ago :) But still I wonder if it's 
> > a good idea to silently release locks and set the state to OWNERDEAD 
> > instead of hitting the app programmer with a big clue stick in case 
> > the app holds locks when calling execve().
> 
> Agreed, I rather like the feedback. With regular exit like things 
> there's just not much we can do to avoid the mess, but here we can 
> actually avoid it, seems a waste not to do so.

Well, exec() has been a 'exit() + boot-strap next process' kind of thing 
from the get go - with little state carried over into the new task. This 
has security and robustness reasons as well.

So i think exec() should release all existing state, unless told 
otherwise. Making it behave differently for robust futexes sounds 
assymetric to me.

It might make sense though - a 'prevent exec because you are holding 
locks!' thing. Dunno.

Cc:-ed a few execve() semantics experts who might want to chime in.

If a (buggy) app calls execve() with a (robust) futex still held should 
we auto-force-release robust locks held, or fail the exec with an error 
code? I think the forced release is a 'anomalous exit' thing mostly, 
while calling exec() is not anomalous at all.

	Ingo

  reply	other threads:[~2009-10-05 12:25 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 26+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2009-09-30  1:10 futex question Anirban Sinha
2009-10-01  9:22 ` Ingo Molnar
2009-10-01 16:54   ` Anirban Sinha
2009-10-01 23:46   ` Anirban Sinha
2009-10-02 23:38     ` Darren Hart
2009-10-03  0:36       ` Anirban Sinha
2009-10-03  4:14         ` Eric Dumazet
2009-10-04  8:44       ` Thomas Gleixner
     [not found]         ` <DDFD17CC94A9BD49A82147DDF7D545C501F457C5@exchange.ZeugmaSystems.local>
2009-10-04 16:37           ` Anirban Sinha
2009-10-04 16:59             ` Thomas Gleixner
2009-10-05 10:36               ` Peter Zijlstra
2009-10-05 10:56                 ` Thomas Gleixner
2009-10-05 11:16                   ` Peter Zijlstra
2009-10-05 11:19                     ` Ingo Molnar
2009-10-05 11:50                       ` Thomas Gleixner
2009-10-05 11:47                     ` Thomas Gleixner
2009-10-05 13:11                       ` Anirban Sinha
2009-10-05 13:28                         ` Thomas Gleixner
2009-10-05 14:03                           ` Anirban Sinha
2009-10-05 18:36                             ` Anirban Sinha
2009-10-05 11:58                 ` Peter Zijlstra
2009-10-05 11:59                   ` Thomas Gleixner
2009-10-05 12:18                     ` Peter Zijlstra
2009-10-05 12:24                       ` Ingo Molnar [this message]
2009-10-05 14:09                         ` Darren Hart
2009-10-05 18:11                 ` Anirban Sinha

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