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From: Frans Pop <elendil@planet.nl>
To: Gabor Gombas <gombasg@digikabel.hu>
Cc: Rudy Zijlstra <rudy@grumpydevil.homelinux.org>,
	kyle@moffetthome.net, neilb@suse.de, babydr@baby-dragons.com,
	davidsen@tmr.com, volkerarmin@googlemail.com,
	mjevans1983@gmail.com, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org,
	linux-raid@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: Linux mdadm superblock question.
Date: Wed, 17 Feb 2010 22:29:05 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <201002172229.07511.elendil@planet.nl> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20100217205406.GA13287@twister.home>

On Wednesday 17 February 2010, Gabor Gombas wrote:
> On Wed, Feb 17, 2010 at 02:26:46PM +0100, Frans Pop wrote:
> > That's simply not true, at least not for Debian. If you actually use
> > the distro tools [1] the only assumptions are made at kernel
> > *installation* time, not at kernel build time.
>
> And that's why network-booted diskless clients and virtual guests have
> all sort of useless modules loaded; the HW where the kernel package was
> installed in this case is very different from the HW where the kernel
> will run.

Interesting use case. But also a use case for which initramfs-tools 
probably very simply was never intended.

I agree that in this case you probably want to either
- have a very generic initrd that supports anything (Debian default) [1]
or
- provide a list of modules to include in the initrd based on knowing the
  hardware you want to support (e.g. using /etc/initramfs-tools/modules)
  and prevent including anything based on the host system.

I've never really done that so I don't know if initramfs-tools has any 
features to support that.

> If only there were a switch to prohibit ever looking at the 
> current machine's configuration when generating the initramfs...

Did you ever file a wishlist bug report for that?

> > I've been using initramfs-tools generated initrds for years without
> > problems, and that includes "root on LVM on LUKS encrypted partition"
> > and "root on LVM on RAID" setups.
>
> I've tried a couple of times to use a Debian-built initramfs with a
> custom built kernel. The kernel worked fine without an initramfs (it had
> everything built in), but it did not boot with the initramfs.

It's obviously hard to comment on something like this without more details 
(which would be off-topic for this list).


[1] Could still leave you with problems if the clients use something fancy 
for the root fs that uses info copied from /etc.

  reply	other threads:[~2010-02-17 21:29 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 141+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2010-02-14  1:51 Linux mdadm superblock question Volker Armin Hemmann
2010-02-14  1:51 ` Volker Armin Hemmann
2010-02-14  4:02 ` Michael Evans
2010-02-14  4:02   ` Michael Evans
2010-02-14  7:21   ` david
2010-02-14  8:38     ` Michael Evans
2010-02-14 18:40   ` Volker Armin Hemmann
2010-02-14 18:53     ` John Robinson
2010-02-14 21:16       ` Gabor Gombas
     [not found]       ` <201002142013.24922.volkerarmin@googlemail.com>
2010-02-16 14:28         ` John Robinson
2010-02-16 14:37           ` Volker Armin Hemmann
2010-02-16 14:46             ` Robin Hill
2010-02-16 17:23             ` John Robinson
2010-02-16 19:38             ` Luca Berra
2010-02-16 17:18     ` Bill Davidsen
2010-02-16 21:06       ` Volker Armin Hemmann
2010-02-16 22:00         ` Nick Bowler
2010-02-16 22:18           ` Volker Armin Hemmann
2010-02-17 14:25             ` Nick Bowler
2010-02-18  9:27             ` Ian Dall
2010-02-17  1:03       ` Mr. James W. Laferriere
2010-02-17  2:01         ` Neil Brown
2010-02-17  2:38           ` Volker Armin Hemmann
2010-02-17  2:38             ` Volker Armin Hemmann
2010-02-17 23:15             ` Neil Brown
2010-02-17  6:34           ` Kyle Moffett
2010-02-17  6:34             ` Kyle Moffett
2010-02-17  9:38             ` Rudy Zijlstra
2010-02-17 13:26               ` Frans Pop
2010-02-17 20:54                 ` Gabor Gombas
2010-02-17 21:29                   ` Frans Pop [this message]
2010-02-18  3:40                   ` Goswin von Brederlow
2010-02-18  3:40                     ` Goswin von Brederlow
2010-02-17 16:22               ` Kyle Moffett
2010-02-17 16:22                 ` Kyle Moffett
2010-02-17 17:41                 ` david
2010-02-17 18:10                   ` Nick Bowler
2010-02-17 18:27                     ` Volker Armin Hemmann
2010-02-17 18:37                       ` Nick Bowler
2010-02-17 18:41                         ` david
2010-02-17 18:51                           ` Nick Bowler
2010-02-17 21:17                             ` david
2010-02-17 21:37                               ` Nick Bowler
2010-02-17 22:21                                 ` david
2010-02-17 22:29                                 ` boot times, not mdadm (was: Linux mdadm superblock question.) martin f krafft
2010-02-17 23:24                           ` (boot time consequences of) Linux mdadm superblock question Neil Brown
2010-02-17 23:50                             ` martin f krafft
2010-02-18  2:58                             ` Henrique de Moraes Holschuh
2010-02-18  3:26                               ` martin f krafft
2010-02-18  4:03                                 ` Daniel Reurich
2010-02-18  4:40                                   ` martin f krafft
2010-02-18  5:10                                     ` Neil Brown
2010-02-18  5:21                                       ` martin f krafft
2010-02-18  5:34                                         ` Neil Brown
2010-02-19  0:42                                           ` martin f krafft
2010-02-19  2:51                                             ` Daniel Reurich
     [not found]                                               ` <20100221171445.GB17267@lapse.rw.madduck.net>
2010-02-22  7:06                                                 ` Goswin von Brederlow
2010-02-22  7:37                                                   ` Bug#567468: " Michael Evans
2010-02-22  9:14                                                     ` martin f krafft
2010-02-22  9:11                                                   ` martin f krafft
2010-02-22 10:42                                                     ` Daniel Reurich
2010-02-19  9:16                                             ` Piergiorgio Sartor
     [not found]                                               ` <20100221174007.GB19058@lapse.rw.madduck.net>
     [not found]                                                 ` <20100221201304.GB2570@lazy.lzy>
2010-02-22  9:16                                                   ` Bug#567468: md homehost (was: Bug#567468: (boot time consequences of) Linux mdadm superblock) question martin f krafft
2010-02-22 11:11                                                     ` Daniel Reurich
2010-02-23  7:29                                                       ` md homehost Goswin von Brederlow
2010-02-23  8:10                                                         ` martin f krafft
2010-02-23  2:30                                                     ` md homehost (was: Bug#567468: (boot time consequences of) Linux mdadm superblock) question Neil Brown
2010-02-23  6:27                                                       ` martin f krafft
2010-02-23  7:31                                                         ` md homehost Goswin von Brederlow
2010-02-23  8:16                                                           ` Bug#567468: " martin f krafft
2010-02-24 13:13                                                             ` Goswin von Brederlow
2010-02-24 17:52                                                               ` Mario 'BitKoenig' Holbe
2010-02-24 22:23                                                                 ` Neil Brown
2010-02-23  8:18                                                           ` Piergiorgio Sartor
2010-02-24  0:10                                                         ` md homehost (was: Bug#567468: (boot time consequences of) Linux mdadm superblock) question Neil Brown
2010-02-24  4:12                                                           ` Michael Evans
2010-02-24 13:41                                                           ` md homehost Goswin von Brederlow
2010-02-24 22:30                                                             ` Neil Brown
2010-02-25  7:16                                                               ` Goswin von Brederlow
2010-02-25  7:46                                                                 ` Neil Brown
2010-02-25  8:33                                                                   ` Michael Evans
2010-02-25 11:55                                                                 ` Mario 'BitKoenig' Holbe
2010-02-18  5:17                                     ` (boot time consequences of) Linux mdadm superblock question Daniel Reurich
2010-02-18  5:22                                       ` martin f krafft
2010-02-17 18:46                         ` Volker Armin Hemmann
2010-02-17 22:26                           ` H. Peter Anvin
2010-02-18  3:33                     ` Goswin von Brederlow
2010-02-18  7:51                       ` Luca Berra
2010-02-18 14:12                       ` Nick Bowler
2010-02-19  9:04                         ` Michael Evans
2010-02-19  9:04                           ` Michael Evans
2010-02-14 19:34   ` Henrique de Moraes Holschuh
2010-02-14 20:07     ` Michael Evans
2010-02-14 21:14       ` Henrique de Moraes Holschuh
2010-02-14 20:47     ` Asdo
2010-02-14 21:26       ` Henrique de Moraes Holschuh
2010-02-14 21:28       ` Gabor Gombas
2010-02-15  9:08         ` martin f krafft
2010-02-15  7:51 ` Luca Berra
     [not found] <edBWa-K7-9@gated-at.bofh.it>
     [not found] ` <edDXX-3XC-7@gated-at.bofh.it>
     [not found]   ` <edRHA-7bL-13@gated-at.bofh.it>
     [not found]     ` <eezfA-4N7-11@gated-at.bofh.it>
2010-02-16 21:10       ` Bodo Eggert
  -- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2010-02-11 23:00 Justin Piszcz
2010-02-12  1:52 ` Michael Evans
2010-02-12  9:06   ` Robin Hill
2010-02-12 21:53     ` Mr. James W. Laferriere
2010-02-16  0:57       ` Neil Brown
2010-02-16 16:42       ` Bill Davidsen
2010-02-13 19:58   ` H. Peter Anvin
2010-02-13 20:07     ` Justin Piszcz
2010-02-13 20:49       ` david
2010-02-13 21:07         ` Michael Evans
2010-02-13 21:07           ` Michael Evans
2010-02-13 21:29       ` H. Peter Anvin
2010-02-14 20:25         ` Asdo
2010-02-14 21:18           ` H. Peter Anvin
2010-02-14 21:34             ` Henrique de Moraes Holschuh
2010-02-14 23:20             ` Rudy Zijlstra
2010-02-15  3:40               ` Mr. James W. Laferriere
2010-02-15  7:12                 ` Luca Berra
2010-02-16  0:38                   ` Neil Brown
2010-02-16  0:27     ` Neil Brown
2010-02-16  1:24       ` H. Peter Anvin
2010-02-16  3:18         ` david
2010-02-16  4:42           ` John Robinson
2010-02-16  4:42             ` John Robinson
2010-02-16  7:02           ` H. Peter Anvin
2010-02-16  8:46             ` Rudy Zijlstra
2010-02-16 17:05         ` Bill Davidsen
2010-02-16 23:30           ` H. Peter Anvin
2010-02-16 10:12       ` Giovanni Tessore
2010-02-17 23:10         ` Neil Brown
2010-02-16  3:40   ` CaT
2010-02-13  6:42 ` martin f krafft
2010-02-13  8:37 ` Giovanni Tessore
2010-02-13  9:26   ` Michael Evans
2010-02-13  9:35     ` Giovanni Tessore
2010-02-13  9:40       ` Michael Evans
2010-02-13 10:06         ` Giovanni Tessore
2010-02-16  0:50 ` Neil Brown
2010-02-16 13:14   ` Justin Piszcz
2010-02-17 23:11     ` Neil Brown
2010-02-16 17:24   ` Bill Davidsen

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