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From: Joel Becker <Joel.Becker@oracle.com>
To: Yury Polyanskiy <ypolyans@princeton.edu>
Cc: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, Andrew Morton <akpm@osdl.org>,
	john stultz <johnstul@us.ibm.com>,
	Jan Glauber <jan.glauber@de.ibm.com>
Subject: Re: [PATCH] hangcheck-timer is broken on x86
Date: Fri, 26 Mar 2010 14:46:49 -0700	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20100326214648.GF9984@mail.oracle.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20100323233611.6dcbe4f4@penta.localdomain>

On Tue, Mar 23, 2010 at 11:36:11PM -0400, Yury Polyanskiy wrote:
> Second, and more importantly, loops_per_jiffy has little to do with the conversion from the
> the time scale of get_cycles() (aka rdtsc) to the time scale of jiffies.

	It used to!  Fundamentally, of course, we didn't have a
monotonic clock everywhere that satisfied hangcheck-timer's needs.  So
we had to use different approaches on different architectures.

> @@ -130,7 +129,9 @@ extern unsigned long long monotonic_clock(void);
>  #else
>  static inline unsigned long long monotonic_clock(void)
>  {
> -	return get_cycles();
> +	struct timespec ts;
> +	getrawmonotonic(&ts);
> +	return timespec_to_ns(&ts);
>  }
>  #endif  /* HAVE_MONOTONIC */

	I have two questions:

1) Does getrawmonotonic() satisfy hangcheck-timer?  What I mean is, will
it always return the wallclock nanoseconds even in the face of CPU speed
changes, suspend, udelay, or any other suspension of kernel operation?
Yes, I know this is a tougher standard than rdtsc(), but this is what
hangcheck-timer wants.  rdtsc() at least satisfied udelay and PCI hangs.

2) If it does satisfy, why not use it for all hangcheck usage instead of
any ifdefs?

Joel

-- 

"The cynics are right nine times out of ten."  
        - H. L. Mencken

Joel Becker
Principal Software Developer
Oracle
E-mail: joel.becker@oracle.com
Phone: (650) 506-8127

  parent reply	other threads:[~2010-03-26 21:48 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 21+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2010-03-24  3:36 [PATCH] hangcheck-timer is broken on x86 Yury Polyanskiy
2010-03-26 21:24 ` Andrew Morton
2010-03-26 21:52   ` Yury Polyanskiy
2010-03-26 21:46 ` Joel Becker [this message]
2010-03-26 22:00   ` Yury Polyanskiy
2010-03-27  0:57     ` Joel Becker
2010-03-27  2:02       ` Yury Polyanskiy
2010-03-27 22:03         ` Joel Becker
2010-03-27 22:51           ` Yury Polyanskiy
2010-03-27 23:36             ` Joel Becker
2010-03-28  2:08               ` Yury Polyanskiy
2010-03-29  1:00   ` john stultz
2010-03-29 14:11     ` Yury Polyanskiy
2010-03-29 16:43       ` john stultz
2010-03-29 17:04         ` Yury Polyanskiy
2010-03-29 18:44           ` john stultz
2010-03-29 19:53             ` Joel Becker
2010-03-29 21:08             ` Yury Polyanskiy
2010-03-29 21:43               ` john stultz
2010-03-29 22:34                 ` Yury Polyanskiy
2010-04-08  0:52                   ` Joel Becker

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