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From: Frederic Weisbecker <fweisbec@gmail.com>
To: Arnd Bergmann <arnd@arndb.de>
Cc: Alexey Dobriyan <adobriyan@gmail.com>,
	LKML <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
	Thomas Gleixner <tglx@linutronix.de>,
	Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>,
	John Kacur <jkacur@redhat.com>,
	KAMEZAWA Hiroyuki <kamezawa.hiroyu@jp.fujitsu.com>,
	Al Viro <viro@zeniv.linux.org.uk>, Ingo Molnar <mingo@elte.hu>
Subject: Re: [PATCH 6/6] procfs: Kill the bkl in ioctl
Date: Wed, 31 Mar 2010 23:56:25 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20100331215624.GF5163@nowhere> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <201003312304.30917.arnd@arndb.de>

On Wed, Mar 31, 2010 at 11:04:30PM +0200, Arnd Bergmann wrote:
> On Wednesday 31 March 2010 22:21:23 Arnd Bergmann wrote:
> > Another crazy idea I had was to simply turn the BKL into a regular mutex
> > as soon as we can show that all remaining users are of the non-recursive
> > kind and don't rely on the autorelease-on-sleep. Doing that would be
> > much easier without the pushdown into .unlocked_ioctl than it would be
> > with it.
> 
> I just looked at all the users of lock_kernel remaining with my patch
> series. For 90% of them, it is completely obvious that they don't rely
> on nested locking, and they very much look like they don't need the
> autorelease either, because the BKL was simply pushed down into the
> open, ioctl and llseek functions.
> 
> There are a few file systems (udf, ncpfs, autofs, coda, ...) and some
> network protocols (appletalk, ipx, irnet and x25) for which it is not
> obviously, though still quite likely, the case.
> 
> So we could actually remove the BKL recursion code soon, or even turn
> all of it into a regular mutex, at least as an experimental option.
> 
> The recursive users that I've removed in my series are the block, tty,
> input and sound subsystems, as well as the init code.


This is a solution that has been tried more than once already. But Linus
has told he wouldn't pull something that turns the bkl into a mutex or a
semaphore.

Plus it's quite hard to tell that it does or not auto-release somewhere
This is often something you can really spot on runtime or on small path
only.

The simple fact the bkl is not always a leaf lock makes it need the
auto-release, otherwise you experience very bad unexpected lock
dependencies.


  parent reply	other threads:[~2010-03-31 21:56 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 49+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2010-03-30  6:20 [PATCH 0/6] Kill the bkl in procfs Frederic Weisbecker
2010-03-30  6:20 ` [PATCH 1/6] procfs: Kill BKL in llseek on proc base Frederic Weisbecker
2010-03-30  6:40   ` Alexey Dobriyan
2010-03-30  6:50     ` Frederic Weisbecker
2010-03-30  6:20 ` [PATCH 2/6] procfs: Use generic_file_llseek in /proc/kcore Frederic Weisbecker
2010-03-30 10:28   ` Arnd Bergmann
2010-03-30  6:20 ` [PATCH 3/6] procfs: Use generic_file_llseek in /proc/kmsg Frederic Weisbecker
2010-03-30 10:38   ` Arnd Bergmann
2010-03-30  6:20 ` [PATCH 4/6] procfs: Use generic_file_llseek in /proc/vmcore Frederic Weisbecker
2010-03-30 10:38   ` Arnd Bergmann
2010-03-30  6:20 ` [PATCH 5/6] procfs: Push down the bkl from ioctl Frederic Weisbecker
2010-03-30  6:31   ` Alexey Dobriyan
2010-03-30  7:02     ` Frederic Weisbecker
2010-04-09 14:45     ` [PATCH v2] " Frederic Weisbecker
2010-04-10 13:25       ` [PATCH v3] " Frederic Weisbecker
2010-05-17  1:23         ` [PATCH v4] " Frederic Weisbecker
2010-03-30 10:37   ` [PATCH 5/6] " Arnd Bergmann
2010-03-30 18:27     ` Frederic Weisbecker
2010-03-30 18:54       ` Arnd Bergmann
2010-03-30 19:21         ` Frederic Weisbecker
2010-03-30  6:20 ` [PATCH 6/6] procfs: Kill the bkl in ioctl Frederic Weisbecker
2010-03-30  6:38   ` Alexey Dobriyan
2010-03-30  7:07     ` Frederic Weisbecker
2010-03-30 10:33       ` Arnd Bergmann
2010-03-31 17:22         ` Frederic Weisbecker
2010-03-31 20:21           ` Arnd Bergmann
2010-03-31 21:04             ` Arnd Bergmann
2010-03-31 21:55               ` Alan Cox
2010-04-01  9:07                 ` Arnd Bergmann
2010-03-31 21:56               ` Frederic Weisbecker [this message]
2010-04-01 11:37                 ` Arnd Bergmann
2010-04-01 10:22               ` John Kacur
2010-03-31 21:41             ` Frederic Weisbecker
2010-04-01 12:42               ` Arnd Bergmann
2010-04-03 17:53                 ` Stefan Richter
2010-04-10 16:09                 ` Frederic Weisbecker
2010-04-12 15:05                   ` Arnd Bergmann
2010-04-10 16:14                 ` Frederic Weisbecker
2010-04-10 16:24                 ` Frederic Weisbecker
2010-04-01 11:39           ` Stefan Richter
2010-04-01 12:45             ` Arnd Bergmann
2010-04-10 15:28               ` Frederic Weisbecker
2010-04-11 13:03                 ` Christoph Hellwig
2010-04-12 17:34                   ` Arnd Bergmann
2010-04-12 21:53                     ` Frederic Weisbecker
2010-04-13  9:26                       ` Arnd Bergmann
2010-04-13 20:10                         ` Frederic Weisbecker
2010-04-13 18:03                     ` Christoph Hellwig
2010-04-10 13:27 ` [PATCH 0/6] Kill the bkl in procfs Frederic Weisbecker

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