From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 From: Dominik Brodowski Subject: Re: Attempted summary of suspend-blockers LKML thread, take three Date: Fri, 13 Aug 2010 17:57:38 +0200 Message-ID: <20100813155738.GA11507__14955.5423799486$1281715153$gmane$org@isilmar-3.linta.de> References: <20100812010612.GL2516@linux.vnet.ibm.com> <20100812034435.GA7403@linux.vnet.ibm.com> <20100812174303.GD2524@linux.vnet.ibm.com> <20100813152254.GD2511@linux.vnet.ibm.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Return-path: Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: linux-pm-bounces@lists.linux-foundation.org Errors-To: linux-pm-bounces@lists.linux-foundation.org To: Felipe Contreras Cc: david@lang.hm, Theodore Tso , arjan@infradead.org, peterz@infradead.org, Brian Swetland , linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, galibert@pobox.com, florian@mickler.org, James.Bottomley@suse.de, tglx@linutronix.de, menage@google.com, paulmck@linux.vnet.ibm.com, linux-pm@lists.linux-foundation.org, Alan Cox , swmike@swm.pp.se List-Id: linux-pm@vger.kernel.org > >> Not Ubuntu, not Fedora, not MeeGo, not anyone with a typical > >> user-space seems to be having this problem. I can argue to you that > >> this problem can be solved in easier ways, but instead I will argue > >> that perhaps we should wait for somebody besides Android to complain > >> about it before providing a "solution". Because after all, what good > >> is a "solution" provided by the kernel, if the user-space is not going > >> to use it, ever. > > > > At this point in the discussion, I am quite prepared to believe that you > > will avoid using suspend blockers, and that you will further do everyth= ing > > in your power to prevent anyone else from using suspend blockers. =A0;-) > = > I'm not tying anybody's hands. > = > How are people using real-time linux if it's not on mainline? Well, > duuh, you apply the patches. If say Fedora was interested on it, they > could apply the patches, and see for themselves. People do that all > the time, with the mm tree, with Con Koliva's patches, etc. Once > people are happy with the results, things get merged. Why should this > be any different? Because millions of users are happy -- with Android, including suspend blockers. Best, Dominik