From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org via listexpand id S1753430Ab0IJLzO (ORCPT ); Fri, 10 Sep 2010 07:55:14 -0400 Received: from ist.d-labs.de ([213.239.218.44]:51944 "EHLO mx01.d-labs.de" rhost-flags-OK-OK-OK-OK) by vger.kernel.org with ESMTP id S1753261Ab0IJLzM (ORCPT ); Fri, 10 Sep 2010 07:55:12 -0400 Date: Fri, 10 Sep 2010 13:55:11 +0200 From: Florian Mickler To: Martin Steigerwald Newsgroups: gmane.linux.kernel Cc: "Ted Ts'o" , linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, Paolo Ornati Subject: Re: help with git bisecting a bug 16376: random - possibly Radeon DRM KMS related - freezes Message-ID: <20100910135511.53c0089a@schatten.dmk.lab> In-Reply-To: <201009091618.51064.Martin@lichtvoll.de> References: <201008312153.45792.Martin@lichtvoll.de> <201009050953.52440.Martin@lichtvoll.de> <20100907025110.GD6134@thunk.org> <201009091618.51064.Martin@lichtvoll.de> X-Newsreader: Claws Mail 3.7.6cvs31 (GTK+ 2.20.1; x86_64-unknown-linux-gnu) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: linux-kernel-owner@vger.kernel.org List-ID: X-Mailing-List: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org On Thu, 9 Sep 2010 16:18:49 +0200 Martin Steigerwald wrote: > Yes, I am aware that it may not be a Ext4 problem at all. Thus I said Ext4 > / readahead related (!) backtrace (! not bug) cause that was all I could > see on the screen. How else should I have described that backtrace when I > can't speculate on what I can not see? I think, it is no big thing. The trick is probably to say nothing at all about the cause, when it is not clear. It's a mind thing. As soon as the association is brought up, everybody thinks along those lines. :) If you leave out the "ext4/readahead related", then people will still know that it might be ext4 readahead related because you posted the backtrace, but they will not have their mind turned to that. Instead they will think: oh a backtrace... there were some people shouting about backtraces in my area, let's see if it is realted. But of course, sometimes putting blame somewhere also does help getting attention. After all "CORRUPTION IN FILESYSTEM XYZ" sticks out more than "partial trace of a thing i don't know anything at all". Cheers, Flo