From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org via listexpand id S1756416Ab0KSSmA (ORCPT ); Fri, 19 Nov 2010 13:42:00 -0500 Received: from cantor2.suse.de ([195.135.220.15]:36228 "EHLO mx2.suse.de" rhost-flags-OK-OK-OK-OK) by vger.kernel.org with ESMTP id S1756374Ab0KSSl4 (ORCPT ); Fri, 19 Nov 2010 13:41:56 -0500 Date: Fri, 19 Nov 2010 19:41:50 +0100 From: "Dr. Werner Fink" To: Greg KH Cc: Alan Cox , Lennart Poettering , Kay Sievers , Valdis.Kletnieks@vt.edu, linux-kernel , Randy Dunlap , Jiri Slaby Subject: Re: tty: add 'active' sysfs attribute to tty0 and console device Message-ID: <20101119184150.GA8997@boole.suse.de> Mail-Followup-To: Greg KH , Alan Cox , Lennart Poettering , Kay Sievers , Valdis.Kletnieks@vt.edu, linux-kernel , Randy Dunlap , Jiri Slaby References: <20101118015310.GA30480@kroah.com> <20101118110020.GA13871@boole.suse.de> <20101118112335.434de53a@lxorguk.ukuu.org.uk> <20101118121256.GA19884@boole.suse.de> <20101118125822.16718289@lxorguk.ukuu.org.uk> <20101118131420.GA23872@boole.suse.de> <20101118144123.5417ccbd@lxorguk.ukuu.org.uk> <20101119132145.GA22883@boole.suse.de> <20101119154705.7829487a@lxorguk.ukuu.org.uk> <20101119180258.GA6745@kroah.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20101119180258.GA6745@kroah.com> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.21 (2010-09-15) Sender: linux-kernel-owner@vger.kernel.org List-ID: X-Mailing-List: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org On Fri, Nov 19, 2010 at 10:02:58AM -0800, Greg KH wrote: > On Fri, Nov 19, 2010 at 03:47:05PM +0000, Alan Cox wrote: > > > Currently the bootlogd(8) or blogd(8) parse the kernels command line > > > and if available do an ioctl TIOCGDEV (not supported by the upstream > > > kernel), then create a pty/tty pair, do an ioctl TIOCCONS to forward > > > > So perhaps the vendors using TIOCGDEV could get off their collective > > backsides and submit it upstream ? > > Heh, that's what started this whole thing :) > > I objected to TIOCGDEV going in as it seemed that only suse needed it > for their boot sequence, and no other distro did which implied that it > really wasn't necessary. > > I'm still not convinced it is needed, and the many thousands of booting > systems out there without it seem to confirm it... Uhmm ... just to say it: I've been asked by Fedorea people and also by Debian people why I had not submitted this patch and I've told them that I had it done long time ago ;) It seems to me that there is some demand but most user space monitoring applications uses workarounds (AFAICR plymouth uses hard coded VT for boot and shutdown). Werner -- System V style init programs - http://savannah.nongnu.org/projects/sysvinit/