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From: Vivek Goyal <vgoyal@redhat.com>
To: Wu Fengguang <fengguang.wu@intel.com>
Cc: "linux-fsdevel@vger.kernel.org" <linux-fsdevel@vger.kernel.org>,
	Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>,
	Jan Kara <jack@suse.cz>, Christoph Hellwig <hch@lst.de>,
	Dave Chinner <david@fromorbit.com>,
	Greg Thelen <gthelen@google.com>,
	Minchan Kim <minchan.kim@gmail.com>,
	Andrea Righi <arighi@develer.com>, linux-mm <linux-mm@kvack.org>,
	LKML <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>
Subject: Re: [PATCH 0/5] IO-less dirty throttling v8
Date: Thu, 11 Aug 2011 17:00:08 -0400	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20110811210008.GI8552@redhat.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20110811204255.GH8552@redhat.com>

On Thu, Aug 11, 2011 at 04:42:55PM -0400, Vivek Goyal wrote:

[..]
> So I see following immediate extension of your scheme possible.
> 
> - Inherit ioprio from iocontext and provide buffered write service
>   differentiation for writers.
> 
> - Create a per task buffered write throttling interface and do
>   absolute throttling of task.
> 
> - We can possibly do the idea of throttling group wide buffered
>   writes only control at this layer using this mechanism.

Though personally I like the idea of absolute throttling at page cache
level as it can help a bit with problem of buffered WRITES impacting
the latency of everything else in the system. CFQ helps a lot but
it idles enough that cost of this isolation is very high on faster
storage.

Deadline and noop really do not do much about protection from WRITEs.

So it is not perfect but might prove to be good enough for some use
cases.

Thanks
Vivek

WARNING: multiple messages have this Message-ID (diff)
From: Vivek Goyal <vgoyal@redhat.com>
To: Wu Fengguang <fengguang.wu@intel.com>
Cc: "linux-fsdevel@vger.kernel.org" <linux-fsdevel@vger.kernel.org>,
	Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>,
	Jan Kara <jack@suse.cz>, Christoph Hellwig <hch@lst.de>,
	Dave Chinner <david@fromorbit.com>,
	Greg Thelen <gthelen@google.com>,
	Minchan Kim <minchan.kim@gmail.com>,
	Andrea Righi <arighi@develer.com>, linux-mm <linux-mm@kvack.org>,
	LKML <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>
Subject: Re: [PATCH 0/5] IO-less dirty throttling v8
Date: Thu, 11 Aug 2011 17:00:08 -0400	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20110811210008.GI8552@redhat.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20110811204255.GH8552@redhat.com>

On Thu, Aug 11, 2011 at 04:42:55PM -0400, Vivek Goyal wrote:

[..]
> So I see following immediate extension of your scheme possible.
> 
> - Inherit ioprio from iocontext and provide buffered write service
>   differentiation for writers.
> 
> - Create a per task buffered write throttling interface and do
>   absolute throttling of task.
> 
> - We can possibly do the idea of throttling group wide buffered
>   writes only control at this layer using this mechanism.

Though personally I like the idea of absolute throttling at page cache
level as it can help a bit with problem of buffered WRITES impacting
the latency of everything else in the system. CFQ helps a lot but
it idles enough that cost of this isolation is very high on faster
storage.

Deadline and noop really do not do much about protection from WRITEs.

So it is not perfect but might prove to be good enough for some use
cases.

Thanks
Vivek

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  reply	other threads:[~2011-08-11 21:00 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 280+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2011-08-06  8:44 [PATCH 0/5] IO-less dirty throttling v8 Wu Fengguang
2011-08-06  8:44 ` Wu Fengguang
2011-08-06  8:44 ` Wu Fengguang
2011-08-06  8:44 ` [PATCH 1/5] writeback: account per-bdi accumulated dirtied pages Wu Fengguang
2011-08-06  8:44   ` Wu Fengguang
2011-08-06  8:44   ` Wu Fengguang
2011-08-06  8:44 ` [PATCH 2/5] writeback: dirty position control Wu Fengguang
2011-08-06  8:44   ` Wu Fengguang
2011-08-06  8:44   ` Wu Fengguang
2011-08-08 13:46   ` Peter Zijlstra
2011-08-08 13:46     ` Peter Zijlstra
2011-08-08 13:46     ` Peter Zijlstra
2011-08-08 14:11     ` Wu Fengguang
2011-08-08 14:11       ` Wu Fengguang
2011-08-08 14:31       ` Peter Zijlstra
2011-08-08 14:31         ` Peter Zijlstra
2011-08-08 14:31         ` Peter Zijlstra
2011-08-08 22:47         ` Wu Fengguang
2011-08-08 22:47           ` Wu Fengguang
2011-08-09  9:31           ` Peter Zijlstra
2011-08-09  9:31             ` Peter Zijlstra
2011-08-09  9:31             ` Peter Zijlstra
2011-08-10 12:28             ` Wu Fengguang
2011-08-10 12:28               ` Wu Fengguang
2011-08-08 14:41       ` Peter Zijlstra
2011-08-08 14:41         ` Peter Zijlstra
2011-08-08 14:41         ` Peter Zijlstra
2011-08-08 23:05         ` Wu Fengguang
2011-08-08 23:05           ` Wu Fengguang
2011-08-09 10:32           ` Peter Zijlstra
2011-08-09 10:32             ` Peter Zijlstra
2011-08-09 10:32             ` Peter Zijlstra
2011-08-09 17:20           ` Peter Zijlstra
2011-08-09 17:20             ` Peter Zijlstra
2011-08-09 17:20             ` Peter Zijlstra
2011-08-10 22:34             ` Jan Kara
2011-08-10 22:34               ` Jan Kara
2011-08-11  2:29               ` Wu Fengguang
2011-08-11  2:29                 ` Wu Fengguang
2011-08-11 11:14                 ` Jan Kara
2011-08-11 11:14                   ` Jan Kara
2011-08-16  8:35                   ` Wu Fengguang
2011-08-16  8:35                     ` Wu Fengguang
2011-08-12 13:19             ` Wu Fengguang
2011-08-12 13:19               ` Wu Fengguang
2011-08-10 21:40           ` Vivek Goyal
2011-08-10 21:40             ` Vivek Goyal
2011-08-16  8:55             ` Wu Fengguang
2011-08-16  8:55               ` Wu Fengguang
2011-08-11 22:56           ` Peter Zijlstra
2011-08-11 22:56             ` Peter Zijlstra
2011-08-11 22:56             ` Peter Zijlstra
2011-08-12  2:43             ` Wu Fengguang
2011-08-12  2:43               ` Wu Fengguang
2011-08-12  3:18               ` Wu Fengguang
2011-08-12  5:45               ` Wu Fengguang
2011-08-12  5:45                 ` Wu Fengguang
2011-08-12  9:45                 ` Peter Zijlstra
2011-08-12  9:45                   ` Peter Zijlstra
2011-08-12  9:45                   ` Peter Zijlstra
2011-08-12 11:07                   ` Wu Fengguang
2011-08-12 11:07                     ` Wu Fengguang
2011-08-12 12:17                     ` Peter Zijlstra
2011-08-12 12:17                       ` Peter Zijlstra
2011-08-12 12:17                       ` Peter Zijlstra
2011-08-12  9:47               ` Peter Zijlstra
2011-08-12  9:47                 ` Peter Zijlstra
2011-08-12  9:47                 ` Peter Zijlstra
2011-08-12 11:11                 ` Wu Fengguang
2011-08-12 11:11                   ` Wu Fengguang
2011-08-12 12:54           ` Peter Zijlstra
2011-08-12 12:54             ` Peter Zijlstra
2011-08-12 12:54             ` Peter Zijlstra
2011-08-12 12:59             ` Wu Fengguang
2011-08-12 12:59               ` Wu Fengguang
2011-08-12 13:08               ` Peter Zijlstra
2011-08-12 13:08                 ` Peter Zijlstra
2011-08-12 13:08                 ` Peter Zijlstra
2011-08-12 13:04           ` Peter Zijlstra
2011-08-12 13:04             ` Peter Zijlstra
2011-08-12 13:04             ` Peter Zijlstra
2011-08-12 14:20             ` Wu Fengguang
2011-08-12 14:20               ` Wu Fengguang
2011-08-22 15:38               ` Peter Zijlstra
2011-08-22 15:38                 ` Peter Zijlstra
2011-08-22 15:38                 ` Peter Zijlstra
2011-08-23  3:40                 ` Wu Fengguang
2011-08-23  3:40                   ` Wu Fengguang
2011-08-23 10:01                   ` Peter Zijlstra
2011-08-23 10:01                     ` Peter Zijlstra
2011-08-23 10:01                     ` Peter Zijlstra
2011-08-23 14:15                     ` Wu Fengguang
2011-08-23 14:15                       ` Wu Fengguang
2011-08-23 17:47                       ` Vivek Goyal
2011-08-23 17:47                         ` Vivek Goyal
2011-08-24  0:12                         ` Wu Fengguang
2011-08-24  0:12                           ` Wu Fengguang
2011-08-24 16:12                           ` Peter Zijlstra
2011-08-24 16:12                             ` Peter Zijlstra
2011-08-26  0:18                             ` Wu Fengguang
2011-08-26  0:18                               ` Wu Fengguang
2011-08-26  9:04                               ` Peter Zijlstra
2011-08-26  9:04                                 ` Peter Zijlstra
2011-08-26 10:04                                 ` Wu Fengguang
2011-08-26 10:04                                   ` Wu Fengguang
2011-08-26 10:42                                   ` Peter Zijlstra
2011-08-26 10:42                                     ` Peter Zijlstra
2011-08-26 10:52                                     ` Wu Fengguang
2011-08-26 10:52                                       ` Wu Fengguang
2011-08-26 11:26                                   ` Wu Fengguang
2011-08-26 12:11                                     ` Peter Zijlstra
2011-08-26 12:11                                       ` Peter Zijlstra
2011-08-26 12:20                                       ` Wu Fengguang
2011-08-26 12:20                                         ` Wu Fengguang
2011-08-26 13:13                                         ` Wu Fengguang
2011-08-26 13:18                                           ` Peter Zijlstra
2011-08-26 13:18                                             ` Peter Zijlstra
2011-08-26 13:24                                             ` Wu Fengguang
2011-08-26 13:24                                               ` Wu Fengguang
2011-08-24 18:00                           ` Vivek Goyal
2011-08-24 18:00                             ` Vivek Goyal
2011-08-25  3:19                             ` Wu Fengguang
2011-08-25  3:19                               ` Wu Fengguang
2011-08-25 22:20                               ` Vivek Goyal
2011-08-25 22:20                                 ` Vivek Goyal
2011-08-26  1:56                                 ` Wu Fengguang
2011-08-26  1:56                                   ` Wu Fengguang
2011-08-26  8:56                                   ` Peter Zijlstra
2011-08-26  8:56                                     ` Peter Zijlstra
2011-08-26  9:53                                     ` Wu Fengguang
2011-08-26  9:53                                       ` Wu Fengguang
2011-08-29 13:12                             ` Peter Zijlstra
2011-08-29 13:12                               ` Peter Zijlstra
2011-08-29 13:37                               ` Wu Fengguang
2011-08-29 13:37                                 ` Wu Fengguang
2011-09-02 12:16                                 ` Peter Zijlstra
2011-09-02 12:16                                   ` Peter Zijlstra
2011-09-06 12:40                                 ` Peter Zijlstra
2011-09-06 12:40                                   ` Peter Zijlstra
2011-08-24 15:57                       ` Peter Zijlstra
2011-08-24 15:57                         ` Peter Zijlstra
2011-08-24 15:57                         ` Peter Zijlstra
2011-08-25  5:30                         ` Wu Fengguang
2011-08-25  5:30                           ` Wu Fengguang
2011-08-23 14:36                     ` Vivek Goyal
2011-08-23 14:36                       ` Vivek Goyal
2011-08-09  2:08   ` Vivek Goyal
2011-08-09  2:08     ` Vivek Goyal
2011-08-16  8:59     ` Wu Fengguang
2011-08-16  8:59       ` Wu Fengguang
2011-08-06  8:44 ` [PATCH 3/5] writeback: dirty rate control Wu Fengguang
2011-08-06  8:44   ` Wu Fengguang
2011-08-06  8:44   ` Wu Fengguang
2011-08-09 14:54   ` Vivek Goyal
2011-08-09 14:54     ` Vivek Goyal
2011-08-11  3:42     ` Wu Fengguang
2011-08-11  3:42       ` Wu Fengguang
2011-08-09 14:57   ` Peter Zijlstra
2011-08-09 14:57     ` Peter Zijlstra
2011-08-09 14:57     ` Peter Zijlstra
2011-08-10 11:07     ` Wu Fengguang
2011-08-10 11:07       ` Wu Fengguang
2011-08-10 16:17       ` Peter Zijlstra
2011-08-10 16:17         ` Peter Zijlstra
2011-08-10 16:17         ` Peter Zijlstra
2011-08-15 14:08         ` Wu Fengguang
2011-08-15 14:08           ` Wu Fengguang
2011-08-09 15:50   ` Vivek Goyal
2011-08-09 15:50     ` Vivek Goyal
2011-08-09 16:16     ` Peter Zijlstra
2011-08-09 16:16       ` Peter Zijlstra
2011-08-09 16:16       ` Peter Zijlstra
2011-08-09 16:19       ` Peter Zijlstra
2011-08-09 16:19         ` Peter Zijlstra
2011-08-09 16:19         ` Peter Zijlstra
2011-08-10 14:07         ` Wu Fengguang
2011-08-10 14:07           ` Wu Fengguang
2011-08-10 14:00       ` Wu Fengguang
2011-08-10 14:00         ` Wu Fengguang
2011-08-10 17:10         ` Peter Zijlstra
2011-08-10 17:10           ` Peter Zijlstra
2011-08-15 14:11           ` Wu Fengguang
2011-08-15 14:11             ` Wu Fengguang
2011-08-09 16:56   ` Peter Zijlstra
2011-08-09 16:56     ` Peter Zijlstra
2011-08-09 16:56     ` Peter Zijlstra
2011-08-10 14:10     ` Wu Fengguang
2011-08-09 17:02   ` Peter Zijlstra
2011-08-09 17:02     ` Peter Zijlstra
2011-08-09 17:02     ` Peter Zijlstra
2011-08-10 14:15     ` Wu Fengguang
2011-08-10 14:15       ` Wu Fengguang
2011-08-06  8:44 ` [PATCH 4/5] writeback: per task dirty rate limit Wu Fengguang
2011-08-06  8:44   ` Wu Fengguang
2011-08-06  8:44   ` Wu Fengguang
2011-08-06 14:35   ` Andrea Righi
2011-08-06 14:35     ` Andrea Righi
2011-08-07  6:19     ` Wu Fengguang
2011-08-07  6:19       ` Wu Fengguang
2011-08-08 13:47   ` Peter Zijlstra
2011-08-08 13:47     ` Peter Zijlstra
2011-08-08 13:47     ` Peter Zijlstra
2011-08-08 14:21     ` Wu Fengguang
2011-08-08 14:21       ` Wu Fengguang
2011-08-08 23:32       ` Wu Fengguang
2011-08-08 23:32         ` Wu Fengguang
2011-08-08 14:23     ` Wu Fengguang
2011-08-08 14:23       ` Wu Fengguang
2011-08-08 14:26       ` Peter Zijlstra
2011-08-08 14:26         ` Peter Zijlstra
2011-08-08 14:26         ` Peter Zijlstra
2011-08-08 22:38         ` Wu Fengguang
2011-08-08 22:38           ` Wu Fengguang
2011-08-13 16:28       ` Andrea Righi
2011-08-13 16:28         ` Andrea Righi
2011-08-15 14:21         ` Wu Fengguang
2011-08-15 14:26           ` Andrea Righi
2011-08-15 14:26             ` Andrea Righi
2011-08-09 17:46   ` Vivek Goyal
2011-08-09 17:46     ` Vivek Goyal
2011-08-10  3:29     ` Wu Fengguang
2011-08-10  3:29       ` Wu Fengguang
2011-08-10 18:18       ` Vivek Goyal
2011-08-10 18:18         ` Vivek Goyal
2011-08-11  0:55         ` Wu Fengguang
2011-08-11  0:55           ` Wu Fengguang
2011-08-09 18:35   ` Peter Zijlstra
2011-08-09 18:35     ` Peter Zijlstra
2011-08-09 18:35     ` Peter Zijlstra
2011-08-10  3:40     ` Wu Fengguang
2011-08-10  3:40       ` Wu Fengguang
2011-08-10 10:25       ` Peter Zijlstra
2011-08-10 10:25         ` Peter Zijlstra
2011-08-10 10:25         ` Peter Zijlstra
2011-08-10 11:13         ` Wu Fengguang
2011-08-10 11:13           ` Wu Fengguang
2011-08-06  8:44 ` [PATCH 5/5] writeback: IO-less balance_dirty_pages() Wu Fengguang
2011-08-06  8:44   ` Wu Fengguang
2011-08-06  8:44   ` Wu Fengguang
2011-08-06 14:48   ` Andrea Righi
2011-08-06 14:48     ` Andrea Righi
2011-08-06 14:48     ` Andrea Righi
2011-08-07  6:44     ` Wu Fengguang
2011-08-07  6:44       ` Wu Fengguang
2011-08-07  6:44       ` Wu Fengguang
2011-08-06 16:46   ` Andrea Righi
2011-08-06 16:46     ` Andrea Righi
2011-08-07  7:18     ` Wu Fengguang
2011-08-07  9:50       ` Andrea Righi
2011-08-07  9:50         ` Andrea Righi
2011-08-09 18:15   ` Vivek Goyal
2011-08-09 18:15     ` Vivek Goyal
2011-08-09 18:41     ` Peter Zijlstra
2011-08-09 18:41       ` Peter Zijlstra
2011-08-09 18:41       ` Peter Zijlstra
2011-08-10  3:22       ` Wu Fengguang
2011-08-10  3:22         ` Wu Fengguang
2011-08-10  3:26     ` Wu Fengguang
2011-08-10  3:26       ` Wu Fengguang
2011-08-09 19:16   ` Vivek Goyal
2011-08-09 19:16     ` Vivek Goyal
2011-08-10  4:33     ` Wu Fengguang
2011-08-09  2:01 ` [PATCH 0/5] IO-less dirty throttling v8 Vivek Goyal
2011-08-09  2:01   ` Vivek Goyal
2011-08-09  5:55   ` Dave Chinner
2011-08-09  5:55     ` Dave Chinner
2011-08-09 14:04     ` Vivek Goyal
2011-08-09 14:04       ` Vivek Goyal
2011-08-10  7:41       ` Greg Thelen
2011-08-10  7:41         ` Greg Thelen
2011-08-10  7:41         ` Greg Thelen
2011-08-10 18:40         ` Vivek Goyal
2011-08-10 18:40           ` Vivek Goyal
2011-08-10 18:40           ` Vivek Goyal
2011-08-11  3:21   ` Wu Fengguang
2011-08-11  3:21     ` Wu Fengguang
2011-08-11 20:42     ` Vivek Goyal
2011-08-11 20:42       ` Vivek Goyal
2011-08-11 21:00       ` Vivek Goyal [this message]
2011-08-11 21:00         ` Vivek Goyal

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