From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org via listexpand id S1754604Ab1HXEsY (ORCPT ); Wed, 24 Aug 2011 00:48:24 -0400 Received: from out3.smtp.messagingengine.com ([66.111.4.27]:48617 "EHLO out3.smtp.messagingengine.com" rhost-flags-OK-OK-OK-OK) by vger.kernel.org with ESMTP id S1752691Ab1HXEsS (ORCPT ); Wed, 24 Aug 2011 00:48:18 -0400 X-Sasl-enc: HJW8NnQPLHvDdXmhhcDWkBKKjzYZfM/GXE3aBkrFwJz0 1314161298 Date: Tue, 23 Aug 2011 21:47:38 -0700 From: Greg KH To: david@lang.hm Cc: Jeremiah Foster , Ben Hutchings , linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, stable@kernel.org, akpm@linux-foundation.org, torvalds@linux-foundation.org, stable-review@kernel.org, alan@lxorguk.ukuu.org.uk, Debian kernel maintainers Subject: Re: [stable] [Stable-review] Future of the -longterm kernel releases (i.e. how we pick them). Message-ID: <20110824044738.GD786@kroah.com> References: <20110815041524.GA7578@kroah.com> <1313460542.2981.76.camel@deadeye> <17669FB8-C6FF-4B1F-9765-F1FD991D14CB@jeremiahfoster.com> <20110816223327.GA1534@kroah.com> <056B8993-8B70-470A-AFDD-53F587AF3312@jeremiahfoster.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.21 (2010-09-15) Sender: linux-kernel-owner@vger.kernel.org List-ID: X-Mailing-List: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org On Wed, Aug 17, 2011 at 01:20:37PM -0700, david@lang.hm wrote: > On Wed, 17 Aug 2011, Jeremiah Foster wrote: > > >>Do they need help from the community > >>instead to help define, implement, and maintain this for them? > > > >I think the answer is yes. > > > > to expand on this a bit. > > it's a lot easier to look at changelogs and see if a -stable or > -longterm update is relavent to your systems than it is to watch the > flood of merges to the latest kerenl and then figure out how to > backport them. BUt people who start up just compiling their own > kernels frequently become testers, if not contributers to the > kernel. If everyone only runs the distro kernels, then the upstream > kernel quality will suffer because nobody is testing it. I totally agree. > people running -longterm kernels on their productionsystems will not > be testing the llatest -rc kernel on those systems, but they are > likely to be more interested in watching and testng new kernel > releases (at least on lab machines) than people who just wait for > things to be backported to the distro kernel. That's good to hear, hopefully the -longterm kernels are useful for them and their usage model. If not, please let me know. greg k-h