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From: "Henrik Rydberg" <rydberg@euromail.se>
To: Greg KH <gregkh@linuxfoundation.org>
Cc: Guenter Roeck <guenter.roeck@ericsson.com>,
	Jidong Xiao <jidong.xiao@gmail.com>,
	Kernel development list <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>
Subject: Re: Can we move device drivers into user-space?
Date: Fri, 24 Feb 2012 21:37:15 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20120224203715.GA4995@polaris.bitmath.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20120224201655.GA5994@kroah.com>

On Fri, Feb 24, 2012 at 12:16:55PM -0800, Greg KH wrote:
> On Fri, Feb 24, 2012 at 09:10:27PM +0100, Henrik Rydberg wrote:
> > I am not complaining about the kernel and its driver structure - on
> > the contrary. I do, however, see a reason why constructing lower-level
> > interfaces to userspace may be of benefit. The kernel is growing
> > tremendously fast. Sooner or later, parts of the present driver
> > responsibility will have to be split into smaller chunks. Why not
> > place those chunks outside the kernel itself?
> 
> I fail to understand why you think the growth of the kernel will require
> drivers to be split into chunks in the future.  Are we somehow growing
> faster than is required / needed / wanted and outstripping the size of
> what we are allowed to take up on machines?

How long can one grow and still claim to _be_ a kernel? The current
(arbitrary) split between kernel and userland was made a long time
ago. For a number of reasons, of course, but not least out of
convenience. Projecting the current kernel growth ten years into the
future, will there still not be another (arbitrary) convenient split?

Even so, the main point was not whether a secondary split may or may
not happen, but what will happen to the quality of the total system
when/if that happens. I doubt the fate of userland drivers would be so
heatedly discussed if everyone believed that work would be carried out
with the same quality currently found in the kernel.

Henrik

  reply	other threads:[~2012-02-24 20:37 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 68+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2012-02-23  4:56 Can we move device drivers into user-space? Jidong Xiao
2012-02-23 15:57 ` Cong Wang
2012-02-23 16:34   ` Jidong Xiao
2012-02-23 20:48     ` david
2012-02-23 21:01       ` Jidong Xiao
2012-02-24 18:21         ` Mauro Carvalho Chehab
2012-02-25 15:10           ` Eduard - Gabriel Munteanu
2012-02-26  0:06             ` Mauro Carvalho Chehab
2012-02-26  0:29               ` Richard Yao
2012-02-27 11:31                 ` Mauro Carvalho Chehab
2012-02-26  1:58               ` Dr. David Alan Gilbert
2012-02-26  3:34                 ` arts zhao
2012-02-27 11:29                 ` Mauro Carvalho Chehab
2012-02-25 15:31           ` Richard Yao
2012-02-23 21:18       ` Roland Dreier
2012-02-24 15:19 ` Jidong Xiao
2012-02-24 15:38   ` Greg KH
2012-02-24 16:38     ` Jidong Xiao
2012-02-24 16:54       ` Greg KH
2012-02-24 17:06         ` Jidong Xiao
2012-02-24 17:13           ` Greg KH
2012-02-24 17:21             ` Jidong Xiao
2012-02-24 17:31               ` Greg KH
2012-02-25  2:33             ` Richard Yao
2012-02-25  4:28               ` Jidong Xiao
2012-02-24 17:10         ` Al Viro
2012-02-25 19:23         ` Jidong Xiao
2012-02-25 20:55           ` Greg KH
2012-02-25 23:43             ` Jidong Xiao
2012-02-26 17:40               ` Greg KH
2012-02-26 22:46             ` Greg KH
2012-02-27 11:17       ` Bernd Petrovitsch
2012-02-24 17:07     ` Guenter Roeck
2012-02-24 17:17       ` Greg KH
2012-02-24 17:47         ` Guenter Roeck
2012-02-24 18:34           ` Greg KH
2012-02-24 19:15             ` Henrik Rydberg
2012-02-24 19:26               ` Greg KH
2012-02-24 20:10                 ` Henrik Rydberg
2012-02-24 20:16                   ` Greg KH
2012-02-24 20:37                     ` Henrik Rydberg [this message]
2012-02-24 20:56                       ` Greg KH
2012-02-24 21:22                         ` Henrik Rydberg
2012-02-24 21:30                           ` Ted Ts'o
2012-02-24 22:14                             ` Henrik Rydberg
2012-02-24 22:20                               ` Greg KH
2012-02-24 22:49                                 ` Henrik Rydberg
2012-02-24 22:54                                   ` Greg KH
2012-02-24 23:14                                     ` Henrik Rydberg
2012-02-25 12:15                               ` Theodore Tso
2012-02-26  9:54                                 ` Henrik Rydberg
2012-02-26  4:56                               ` Bobby Powers
2012-02-26 10:47                                 ` Henrik Rydberg
2012-02-26 12:26                                   ` Richard Yao
2012-02-26 14:23                                     ` Bernd Petrovitsch
2012-02-26 15:29                                       ` Henrik Rydberg
     [not found]                                     ` <365b85cee33d4f1aadc31336663de21c@HUBCAS2.cs.stonybrook.edu>
2012-02-26 15:05                                       ` Richard Yao
2012-02-26 20:30                                         ` Ted Ts'o
     [not found]                                         ` <09a5cca9cffb4300843f682be529e8ca@HUBCAS2.cs.stonybrook.edu>
2012-02-26 21:25                                           ` Richard Yao
2012-02-26 21:35                                             ` Theodore Tso
     [not found]                                             ` <10de0ef9fb5d44c08669191e12343a97@HUBCAS2.cs.stonybrook.edu>
2012-02-26 22:03                                               ` Richard Yao
2012-02-27 11:17                                                 ` Bernd Petrovitsch
2012-02-26 23:08                                   ` david
2012-02-27  0:01                                     ` Henrik Rydberg
2012-02-27  0:53                                       ` david
2012-02-27  9:07                                         ` Henrik Rydberg
2012-03-01  9:54           ` Thomas Gleixner
2012-02-24 15:58   ` Valdis.Kletnieks

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