From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org via listexpand id S1751653Ab2EMEYq (ORCPT ); Sun, 13 May 2012 00:24:46 -0400 Received: from li9-11.members.linode.com ([67.18.176.11]:34393 "EHLO test.thunk.org" rhost-flags-OK-OK-OK-OK) by vger.kernel.org with ESMTP id S1750757Ab2EMEYm (ORCPT ); Sun, 13 May 2012 00:24:42 -0400 Date: Sun, 13 May 2012 00:24:35 -0400 From: "Ted Ts'o" To: Rob Landley Cc: Ludwig Nussel , linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, linux-fsdevel@vger.kernel.org, Jan Kara , Andrew Morton , Andreas Dilger , "open list:EXT2 FILE SYSTEM" , "open list:DOCUMENTATION" Subject: Re: [PATCH RESEND] implement uid and gid mount options for ext2, ext3 and ext4 Message-ID: <20120513042435.GB31866@thunk.org> Mail-Followup-To: Ted Ts'o , Rob Landley , Ludwig Nussel , linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, linux-fsdevel@vger.kernel.org, Jan Kara , Andrew Morton , Andreas Dilger , "open list:EXT2 FILE SYSTEM" , "open list:DOCUMENTATION" References: <1336660924-9598-1-git-send-email-ludwig.nussel@suse.de> <20120511034945.GA15892@mobil.systemanalysen.net> <4FAD2161.3090108@landley.net> <20120511164605.GC6467@thunk.org> <4FADB860.2000009@landley.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <4FADB860.2000009@landley.net> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.20 (2009-06-14) X-SA-Exim-Connect-IP: X-SA-Exim-Mail-From: tytso@thunk.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No (on test.thunk.org); SAEximRunCond expanded to false Sender: linux-kernel-owner@vger.kernel.org List-ID: X-Mailing-List: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org On Fri, May 11, 2012 at 08:09:52PM -0500, Rob Landley wrote: > However, 95% of this use case is already covered by FAT, considering > that most of these people are going to want to interchange with windows > and mac, neither of which are necessarily happy with an ext3 formatted > USB stick. (Sadly, that's what I normally do. My usb keychain is fat > formatted, because otherwise I can't use it to give a PDF to the guy at > kinko's to print out. I suspect this is why it hasn't previously come up > much.) The other reason why I suspect it hasn't come up often is that USB sticks are so painfully slow that the file system really isn't a bottleneck. I would expct this might be different if you were using a removable HDD (or even an SSD) with a USB 3.0 interface. In that case you really might want a bette file system than VFAT, especially if you are interchanging with another Linux system with an incompatible uid/gid namespace. That's not nearly as common a use case, though. - Ted