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From: "Michael S. Tsirkin" <mst@redhat.com>
To: Gleb Natapov <gleb@redhat.com>
Cc: Alex Williamson <alex.williamson@redhat.com>,
	avi@redhat.com, kvm@vger.kernel.org,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, jan.kiszka@siemens.com
Subject: Re: [PATCH v5 3/4] kvm: Create kvm_clear_irq()
Date: Wed, 18 Jul 2012 13:51:05 +0300	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20120718105105.GG4700@redhat.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20120718103608.GC26120@redhat.com>

On Wed, Jul 18, 2012 at 01:36:08PM +0300, Gleb Natapov wrote:
> On Wed, Jul 18, 2012 at 01:33:35PM +0300, Michael S. Tsirkin wrote:
> > On Wed, Jul 18, 2012 at 01:27:39PM +0300, Gleb Natapov wrote:
> > > On Wed, Jul 18, 2012 at 01:20:29PM +0300, Michael S. Tsirkin wrote:
> > > > On Wed, Jul 18, 2012 at 09:27:42AM +0300, Gleb Natapov wrote:
> > > > > On Tue, Jul 17, 2012 at 07:14:52PM +0300, Michael S. Tsirkin wrote:
> > > > > > > _Seems_ racy, or _is_ racy?  Please identify the race.
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > Look at this:
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > static inline int kvm_irq_line_state(unsigned long *irq_state,
> > > > > >                                      int irq_source_id, int level)
> > > > > > {
> > > > > >         /* Logical OR for level trig interrupt */
> > > > > >         if (level)
> > > > > >                 set_bit(irq_source_id, irq_state);
> > > > > >         else
> > > > > >                 clear_bit(irq_source_id, irq_state);
> > > > > > 
> > > > > >         return !!(*irq_state);
> > > > > > }
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > Now:
> > > > > > If other CPU changes some other bit after the atomic change,
> > > > > > it looks like !!(*irq_state) might return a stale value.
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > CPU 0 clears bit 0. CPU 1 sets bit 1. CPU 1 sets level to 1.
> > > > > > If CPU 0 sees a stale value now it will return 0 here
> > > > > > and interrupt will get cleared.
> > > > > > 
> > > > > This will hardly happen on x86 especially since bit is set with
> > > > > serialized instruction.
> > > > 
> > > > Probably. But it does make me a bit uneasy.  Why don't we pass
> > > > irq_source_id to kvm_pic_set_irq/kvm_ioapic_set_irq, and move
> > > > kvm_irq_line_state to under pic_lock/ioapic_lock?  We can then use
> > > > __set_bit/__clear_bit in kvm_irq_line_state, making the ordering simpler
> > > > and saving an atomic op in the process.
> > > > 
> > > With my patch I do not see why we can't change them to unlocked variant
> > > without moving them anywhere. The only requirement is to not use RMW
> > > sequence to set/clear bits. The ordering of setting does not matter. The
> > > ordering of reading is.
> > 
> > You want to use __set_bit/__clear_bit on the same word
> > from multiple CPUs, without locking?
> > Why won't this lose information?
> Because it is not RMW. If it is then yes, you can't do that.

You are saying __set_bit does not do RMW on x86? Interesting.
It's probably not a good idea to rely on this I think.

> > 
> > In any case, it seems simpler and safer to do accesses under lock
> > than rely on specific use.
> > 
> > > --
> > > 			Gleb.
> 
> --
> 			Gleb.

  reply	other threads:[~2012-07-18 10:50 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 96+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2012-07-16 20:33 [PATCH v5 0/4] kvm: level irqfd and new eoifd Alex Williamson
2012-07-16 20:33 ` [PATCH v5 1/4] kvm: Extend irqfd to support level interrupts Alex Williamson
2012-07-17 21:26   ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2012-07-17 21:57     ` Alex Williamson
2012-07-17 22:00       ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2012-07-17 22:16         ` Alex Williamson
2012-07-17 22:28           ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2012-07-18 10:41   ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2012-07-18 10:44     ` Gleb Natapov
2012-07-18 10:48       ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2012-07-18 10:49         ` Gleb Natapov
2012-07-18 10:53           ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2012-07-18 10:55             ` Gleb Natapov
2012-07-18 11:22               ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2012-07-18 11:39                 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2012-07-18 11:48                   ` Gleb Natapov
2012-07-18 12:07                     ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2012-07-18 14:47                       ` Alex Williamson
2012-07-18 15:38                         ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2012-07-18 15:48                           ` Alex Williamson
2012-07-18 15:58                             ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2012-07-18 18:42                               ` Marcelo Tosatti
2012-07-18 19:00                                 ` Gleb Natapov
2012-07-18 19:07                                 ` Alex Williamson
2012-07-18 19:13                                   ` Alex Williamson
2012-07-18 19:16                                     ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2012-07-18 20:28                                     ` Alex Williamson
2012-07-18 21:23                                       ` Marcelo Tosatti
2012-07-18 21:30                                         ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2012-07-16 20:33 ` [PATCH v5 2/4] kvm: KVM_EOIFD, an eventfd for EOIs Alex Williamson
2012-07-17 10:21   ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2012-07-17 13:59     ` Alex Williamson
2012-07-17 14:10       ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2012-07-17 14:29         ` Alex Williamson
2012-07-17 14:42           ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2012-07-17 14:57             ` Alex Williamson
2012-07-17 15:13               ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2012-07-17 15:41                 ` Alex Williamson
2012-07-17 15:53                   ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2012-07-17 16:06                     ` Alex Williamson
2012-07-17 16:19                       ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2012-07-17 16:52                         ` Alex Williamson
2012-07-17 18:58                           ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2012-07-17 20:03                             ` Alex Williamson
2012-07-17 21:23                               ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2012-07-17 22:09                                 ` Alex Williamson
2012-07-17 22:24                                   ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2012-07-18  2:44                                     ` Alex Williamson
2012-07-18 10:31                                       ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2012-07-16 20:34 ` [PATCH v5 3/4] kvm: Create kvm_clear_irq() Alex Williamson
2012-07-17  0:51   ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2012-07-17  2:42     ` Alex Williamson
2012-07-17  0:55   ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2012-07-17 10:14   ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2012-07-17 13:56     ` Alex Williamson
2012-07-17 14:08       ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2012-07-17 14:21         ` Alex Williamson
2012-07-17 14:53           ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2012-07-17 15:20             ` Alex Williamson
2012-07-17 15:36               ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2012-07-17 15:51                 ` Alex Williamson
2012-07-17 15:57                   ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2012-07-17 16:01                     ` Gleb Natapov
2012-07-17 16:08                     ` Alex Williamson
2012-07-17 16:14                       ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2012-07-17 16:17                         ` Alex Williamson
2012-07-17 16:21                           ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2012-07-17 16:45                             ` Alex Williamson
2012-07-17 18:55                               ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2012-07-17 19:51                                 ` Alex Williamson
2012-07-17 21:05                                   ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2012-07-17 22:01                                     ` Alex Williamson
2012-07-17 22:05                                       ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2012-07-17 22:22                                         ` Alex Williamson
2012-07-17 22:31                                           ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2012-07-18  6:27                         ` Gleb Natapov
2012-07-18 10:20                           ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2012-07-18 10:27                             ` Gleb Natapov
2012-07-18 10:33                               ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2012-07-18 10:36                                 ` Gleb Natapov
2012-07-18 10:51                                   ` Michael S. Tsirkin [this message]
2012-07-18 10:53                                     ` Gleb Natapov
2012-07-18 11:08                                       ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2012-07-18 11:50                                         ` Gleb Natapov
2012-07-18 21:55                           ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2012-07-17 16:36                       ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2012-07-17 17:09                         ` Gleb Natapov
2012-07-17 10:18   ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2012-07-16 20:34 ` [PATCH v5 4/4] kvm: Convert eoifd to use kvm_clear_irq Alex Williamson
2012-07-18 10:43 ` [PATCH v5 0/4] kvm: level irqfd and new eoifd Michael S. Tsirkin
2012-07-19 16:59 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2012-07-19 17:29   ` Alex Williamson
2012-07-19 17:45     ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2012-07-19 18:48       ` Alex Williamson
2012-07-20 10:07         ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2012-07-22 15:09           ` Gleb Natapov

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