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From: "Michael S. Tsirkin" <mst@redhat.com>
To: Or Gerlitz <ogerlitz@mellanox.com>
Cc: "Eric W. Biederman" <ebiederm@xmission.com>,
	davem@davemloft.net, roland@kernel.org, netdev@vger.kernel.org,
	ali@mellanox.com, sean.hefty@intel.com,
	Erez Shitrit <erezsh@mellanox.co.il>,
	Doug Ledford <dledford@redhat.com>
Subject: Re: [PATCH V2 09/12] net/eipoib: Add main driver functionality
Date: Sun, 12 Aug 2012 23:54:57 +0300	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20120812205457.GA14081@redhat.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <5027BA17.6010503@mellanox.com>

On Sun, Aug 12, 2012 at 05:13:43PM +0300, Or Gerlitz wrote:
> On 12/08/2012 16:55, Michael S. Tsirkin wrote:
> >I didn't realize you do ARP snooping. Why? I know you mangle
> >outgoing ARP packets,
> 
> Maybe I wasn't accurate/clear, we do mangle outgoing/incoming ARP
> packets, from/to Ethernet ARPs
> to/from IPoIB ARPs.
> 
> 
> >this will go away if you maintain a mapping in SM accessible to
> >all guests.
> 
> guests don't interact with IB, I assume you referred to dom0 code, eIPoIB or
> another driver in the host. But what mapping exactly?

Well we are getting into protocol design here.  So here's a sketch
showing how you could build a protocol that does work.  But note it is
not *exactly* IPoIB. It is I think close enough that you can
use existing NIC hardware/firmware, which is why it
differs slightly from what Eric described, and is
more complex.  But it still shares the same property of no hacks, no
packet snooping in driver, etc.


And if you want to go that route, you really should talk to some IB
protocol people to figure out what works, write a spec and try to
standardize. lkml/netdev is not the right place.

But since you asked, if I had to, I would probably try to
do it like this:

- Each device registers with the SA specifying the
  mac address (+ vlan?), SA stores the translation from that
  to IPoIB address.
- alternatively, SA admin configures the translation statically
- you get a packet with 6 byte mac address,
  query the SA for a mapping to IPoIB address, strip
  ethernet frame and send
- multicast GID addresses can be similar, filled either when registering
  for multicast or by SA admin

I think it's possible that you could also convert a mac address to
EUI-64 and prepend a prefix to get a legal GID. But maybe I'm missing
something.  This could be handy for multicast.


In both cases:
- SA could return GID that you then resolve to
  LID using another query, or it could return LID so you save a roundtrip
- results can be cached locally
- SA can send updates when translation changes to flush this cache


Now above means protocols such as ARP and DHCP use 48 bit addresses so
you can not mix this new protocol with IPoIB.  Maybe IPoIB could simply
ignore irrelevant packets, but it's best not to try, get a
different all-broadcast group and CM ID instead to avoid confusion.

One other interesting thing you can do is forward multicast
registration data from the router, translate to mgid
by the SA and do appropriate IB mcast registrations.

My memory of how IB works is a bit rusty so I probably made some
mistakes above but should roughly work, I think.

> and remember that
> this code (VM through eipoib) can talk to any IPoIB element on the
> fabric, native,
> virtualized,  HW/SW gateways, etc etc.
> 
> Or.

If you want this, then you really want a limited form of IPoIB bridging.

Alternatively, decide that what you do is not IPoIB, have a proper
protocol of your own.

-- 
MST

  reply	other threads:[~2012-08-12 20:56 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 71+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2012-08-01 17:09 [PATCH V2 00/12] Add Ethernet IPoIB driver Or Gerlitz
2012-08-01 17:09 ` [PATCH V2 01/12] IB/ipoib: Add rtnl_link_ops support Or Gerlitz
2012-08-01 17:09 ` [PATCH V2 02/12] IB/ipoib: Add support for clones / multiple childs on the same partition Or Gerlitz
2012-08-01 17:09 ` [PATCH V2 03/12] include/linux: Add private flags for IPoIB interfaces Or Gerlitz
2012-08-01 17:09 ` [PATCH V2 04/12] IB/ipoib: Add support for acting as VIF Or Gerlitz
2012-08-01 17:09 ` [PATCH V2 05/12] net: Add ndo_set_vif_param operation to serve eIPoIB VIFs Or Gerlitz
2012-08-02  0:17   ` Ben Hutchings
2012-08-02  8:25     ` Erez Shitrit
2012-08-01 17:09 ` [PATCH V2 06/12] net/core: Add rtnetlink support to vif parameters Or Gerlitz
2012-08-02  0:20   ` Ben Hutchings
2012-08-02 15:29     ` Erez Shitrit
2012-08-01 17:09 ` [PATCH V2 07/12] net/eipoib: Add private header file Or Gerlitz
2012-08-01 17:09 ` [PATCH V2 08/12] net/eipoib: Add ethtool file support Or Gerlitz
2012-08-02  0:22   ` Ben Hutchings
2012-08-02  8:35     ` Erez Shitrit
2012-08-02 15:42       ` Ben Hutchings
2012-08-01 17:09 ` [PATCH V2 09/12] net/eipoib: Add main driver functionality Or Gerlitz
2012-08-02 17:15   ` Eric W. Biederman
2012-08-03 20:31     ` Ali Ayoub
2012-08-03 21:33       ` David Miller
2012-08-03 22:39         ` Ali Ayoub
2012-08-03 23:36           ` David Miller
2012-08-04 21:23             ` Or Gerlitz
2012-08-04 21:44               ` Or Gerlitz
2012-08-04 23:19                 ` Eric W. Biederman
2012-08-07  0:14             ` Ali Ayoub
2012-08-07  0:44               ` Eric W. Biederman
2012-08-07  1:21                 ` Re[2]: " Naoto MATSUMOTO
2012-08-15  9:10                   ` Re[3]: " Naoto MATSUMOTO
2012-08-07  3:33                 ` Eric W. Biederman
2012-08-08  6:04                   ` Or Gerlitz
2012-08-08  8:36                     ` Eric W. Biederman
2012-08-09  4:06                       ` Or Gerlitz
2012-08-12 14:05                         ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2012-08-07  3:37                 ` Joseph Glanville
2012-08-08  7:32                 ` Or Gerlitz
2012-08-08  9:17                   ` Eric W. Biederman
2012-08-09  4:34                     ` Or Gerlitz
2012-08-12 10:36                       ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2012-08-04  0:02           ` Ali Ayoub
2012-08-04  0:05             ` David Miller
2012-08-04  1:34             ` Eric W. Biederman
2012-08-04 21:33               ` Or Gerlitz
2012-08-05 18:50     ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2012-08-08  5:23       ` Or Gerlitz
2012-08-12 10:22         ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2012-08-12 13:09           ` Or Gerlitz
2012-08-12 13:41             ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2012-08-12 13:15           ` Or Gerlitz
2012-08-12 13:55             ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2012-08-12 14:13               ` Or Gerlitz
2012-08-12 20:54                 ` Michael S. Tsirkin [this message]
2012-08-14  8:44                   ` Or Gerlitz
2012-08-20 18:57                   ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2012-08-23  6:45                     ` Or Gerlitz
2012-08-14  7:41               ` Or Gerlitz
2012-08-12 10:54         ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2012-08-12 13:19           ` Or Gerlitz
2012-08-12 15:40         ` Eric W. Biederman
2012-08-13  8:33           ` Or Gerlitz
2012-08-13 16:08             ` Eric W. Biederman
2012-09-03 20:53       ` Or Gerlitz
2012-09-03 21:22         ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2012-09-04 18:50           ` Or Gerlitz
2012-09-04 19:31             ` Eric W. Biederman
2012-09-04 19:47               ` Or Gerlitz
2012-09-04 21:21             ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2012-09-04 18:57           ` Or Gerlitz
2012-08-01 17:09 ` [PATCH V2 10/12] net/eipoib: Add sysfs support Or Gerlitz
2012-08-01 17:09 ` [PATCH V2 11/12] net/eipoib: Add Makefile, Kconfig and MAINTAINERS entries Or Gerlitz
2012-08-01 17:09 ` [PATCH V2 12/12] IB/ipoib: Add support for transmission of skbs w.o dst/neighbour Or Gerlitz

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