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From: Ingo Molnar <mingo@kernel.org>
To: Linus Torvalds <torvalds@linux-foundation.org>
Cc: "H. Peter Anvin" <hpa@zytor.com>, "Theodore Ts'o" <tytso@mit.edu>,
	Greg Kroah-Hartman <gregkh@linuxfoundation.org>,
	"John W. Linville" <linville@tuxdriver.com>,
	Linux Kernel Mailing List <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
	Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>,
	stable <stable@vger.kernel.org>,
	ksummit-2013-discuss@lists.linux-foundation.org
Subject: Re: [Ksummit-2013-discuss] When to push bug fixes to mainline
Date: Sat, 13 Jul 2013 08:44:30 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20130713064430.GA9153@gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <CA+55aFw0PvYBguFmacL0FC6V_hjGVcUWsrZ6HO9tuQof=yw5PA@mail.gmail.com>


* Linus Torvalds <torvalds@linux-foundation.org> wrote:

> On Fri, Jul 12, 2013 at 11:28 AM, H. Peter Anvin <hpa@zytor.com> wrote:
> >
> > OK, just read up some more on git notes, and *both* the assumptions I 
> > had made about git notes were fundamentally wrong.  Not sure how well 
> > they would scale, though, but stuffing metadata like additional 
> > Acked-by:, Tested-by: and Cc: stable into notes seems more viable 
> > after reading the spec.
> 
> I really don't want to use git notes for anything that actually gets 
> distributed.

Regardless of any scalability and other technical merits, allowing tags to 
go into a commit log entry via git notes would IMO dilute the value of 
Acked-by and Reviewed-by tags and it would actively hurt our kernel 
development workflow I think.

Today there's a time limit on acking/reviewing patches: if it did not 
arrive by the time the code was committed and pushed out, it does not get 
into the commit log, ever. That gives people an incentive to be active 
_before_ a patch gets applied.

And that's really how it should work IMO: the most important, most 
critical decision point is when a patch gets applied to a tree with the 
intent to send it upstream. Maintainers need the most help at that point. 
Anything after that, unless it points out actual problems or room for 
improvements (which will generate new commits), is not very useful.

So adding git notes after that point to add Acked-by or Reviewed-by tags 
is just post facto whitewashing, ego stroking or pointless act 
self-serving bureaucracy, beyond being a sign of a broken Git workflow to 
begin with.

Thanks,

	Ingo

  parent reply	other threads:[~2013-07-13  6:44 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 136+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2013-07-11 22:01 [ 00/19] 3.10.1-stable review Greg Kroah-Hartman
2013-07-11 22:01 ` [ 01/19] libceph: Fix NULL pointer dereference in auth client code Greg Kroah-Hartman
2013-07-11 22:01 ` [ 02/19] ceph: fix sleeping function called from invalid context Greg Kroah-Hartman
2013-07-11 22:01 ` [ 03/19] libceph: fix invalid unsigned->signed conversion for timespec encoding Greg Kroah-Hartman
2013-07-11 22:01 ` [ 04/19] drivers/cdrom/cdrom.c: use kzalloc() for failing hardware Greg Kroah-Hartman
2013-07-11 22:01 ` [ 05/19] module: do percpu allocation after uniqueness check. No, really! Greg Kroah-Hartman
2013-07-11 22:01 ` [ 06/19] charger-manager: Ensure event is not used as format string Greg Kroah-Hartman
2013-07-11 22:01 ` [ 07/19] hpfs: better test for errors Greg Kroah-Hartman
2013-07-11 22:01 ` [ 08/19] block: do not pass disk names as format strings Greg Kroah-Hartman
2013-07-11 22:01 ` [ 09/19] crypto: sanitize argument for format string Greg Kroah-Hartman
2013-07-11 22:01   ` Greg Kroah-Hartman
2013-07-11 22:01 ` [ 10/19] MAINTAINERS: add stable_kernel_rules.txt to stable maintainer information Greg Kroah-Hartman
2013-07-11 22:01 ` [ 11/19] futex: Take hugepages into account when generating futex_key Greg Kroah-Hartman
2013-07-11 22:01 ` [ 12/19] tty: Reset itty for other pty Greg Kroah-Hartman
2013-07-11 22:01 ` [ 13/19] Revert "serial: 8250_pci: add support for another kind of NetMos Technology PCI 9835 Multi-I/O Controller" Greg Kroah-Hartman
2013-07-11 22:01 ` [ 14/19] NFSv4.1 end back channel session draining Greg Kroah-Hartman
2013-07-11 22:01 ` [ 15/19] nfsd4: fix decoding of compounds across page boundaries Greg Kroah-Hartman
2013-07-11 22:01 ` [ 16/19] KVM: VMX: mark unusable segment as nonpresent Greg Kroah-Hartman
2013-07-11 22:01 ` [ 17/19] SCSI: sd: Fix parsing of temporary cache mode prefix Greg Kroah-Hartman
2013-07-11 22:01 ` [ 18/19] cpufreq: Fix cpufreq regression after suspend/resume Greg Kroah-Hartman
2013-07-11 22:01 ` [ 19/19] Revert "memcg: avoid dangling reference count in creation failure" Greg Kroah-Hartman
2013-07-11 22:14 ` [ 00/19] 3.10.1-stable review Josh Boyer
2013-07-14 22:54   ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2013-07-11 22:29 ` Dave Jones
2013-07-11 22:44   ` Greg Kroah-Hartman
2013-07-12  1:51     ` Steven Rostedt
2013-07-12 14:15     ` Guenter Roeck
2013-07-12 15:22       ` Linus Torvalds
2013-07-12 15:47         ` Steven Rostedt
2013-07-12 15:55           ` Linus Torvalds
2013-07-12 16:17             ` Ingo Molnar
2013-07-12 16:35               ` Josh Boyer
2013-07-12 16:36                 ` Josh Boyer
2013-07-12 17:05                 ` Greg Kroah-Hartman
2013-07-14 22:40                   ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2013-07-12 16:48             ` Steven Rostedt
2013-07-12 17:31         ` Guenter Roeck
2013-07-12 17:50           ` Linus Torvalds
2013-07-12 18:11             ` Guenter Roeck
2013-07-12 19:35               ` Theodore Ts'o
2013-07-12 19:49                 ` Steven Rostedt
2013-07-12 19:55                   ` Willy Tarreau
2013-07-12 20:19                   ` Dave Jones
2013-07-12 20:28                     ` Steven Rostedt
2013-07-12 20:31                       ` Steven Rostedt
2013-07-12 21:19                       ` Justin M. Forbes
2013-07-13  0:47                       ` Jochen Striepe
2013-07-13 11:11                         ` Steven Rostedt
2013-07-13 15:10                           ` Dave Jones
2013-07-13 15:54                             ` Steven Rostedt
2013-07-12 19:50             ` Willy Tarreau
2013-07-12 20:47               ` Theodore Ts'o
2013-07-12 21:02                 ` Guenter Roeck
2013-07-13  6:22               ` Greg Kroah-Hartman
2013-07-13  6:36                 ` Willy Tarreau
2013-07-13  6:48                   ` Greg Kroah-Hartman
2013-07-13  7:12                     ` Willy Tarreau
2013-07-15  4:12                       ` Li Zefan
2013-07-15  4:43                         ` Willy Tarreau
2013-07-13 11:42                     ` Theodore Ts'o
2013-07-13 18:27                       ` Greg Kroah-Hartman
2013-07-14  2:22                         ` Theodore Ts'o
2013-07-14  3:51                           ` Greg Kroah-Hartman
2013-07-14  5:24                             ` Guenter Roeck
2013-07-14 20:31                               ` Geert Uytterhoeven
2013-07-13  6:43                 ` Guenter Roeck
2013-07-13  6:58                   ` Greg Kroah-Hartman
2013-07-14 23:52             ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2013-07-15  1:40               ` Linus Torvalds
2013-07-15  2:08                 ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2013-07-14 22:58     ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2013-07-12  0:50 ` When to push bug fixes to mainline Theodore Ts'o
2013-07-12  1:20   ` [Ksummit-2013-discuss] " Nicholas A. Bellinger
2013-07-12  1:54   ` Steven Rostedt
2013-07-12  9:46     ` Jiri Kosina
2013-07-12 11:19       ` Josh Boyer
2013-07-12  2:57   ` John W. Linville
2013-07-12  3:34     ` Greg Kroah-Hartman
2013-07-12  7:32       ` James Bottomley
2013-07-12 17:20       ` H. Peter Anvin
2013-07-12 17:28         ` Greg Kroah-Hartman
2013-07-12 17:50           ` Steven Rostedt
2013-07-12 17:59             ` Linus Torvalds
2013-07-12 18:14               ` Steven Rostedt
2013-07-13 17:52                 ` Geert Uytterhoeven
2013-07-12 17:57           ` Theodore Ts'o
2013-07-12 18:13             ` Guenter Roeck
2013-07-12 18:16             ` H. Peter Anvin
2013-07-12 18:28               ` H. Peter Anvin
2013-07-12 19:44                 ` Linus Torvalds
2013-07-12 19:53                   ` Steven Rostedt
2013-07-12 20:09                     ` Shuah Khan
2013-07-12 20:33                     ` Greg Kroah-Hartman
2013-07-12 20:46                       ` Steven Rostedt
2013-07-12 22:19                       ` H. Peter Anvin
2013-07-12 22:17                     ` H. Peter Anvin
2013-07-13  6:44                   ` Ingo Molnar [this message]
2013-07-13  0:24       ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2013-07-13  1:32         ` Greg Kroah-Hartman
2013-07-13 12:16           ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2013-07-12  3:25   ` Li Zefan
2013-07-15  4:22     ` Rob Landley
2013-07-12  5:14   ` Willy Tarreau
2013-07-16  7:19     ` David Lang
2013-07-16 16:40       ` [Ksummit-2013-discuss] " Takashi Iwai
2013-07-16 16:42         ` David Lang
2013-07-16 19:29           ` Takashi Iwai
2013-07-16 16:59         ` Mark Brown
2013-07-16 17:58           ` Luck, Tony
2013-07-16 17:58             ` Luck, Tony
2013-07-16 18:29             ` Linus Torvalds
2013-07-16 18:29               ` Linus Torvalds
2013-07-16 18:41               ` Steven Rostedt
2013-07-16 18:41                 ` Steven Rostedt
2013-07-16 19:11                 ` Greg Kroah-Hartman
2013-07-16 19:11                   ` Greg Kroah-Hartman
2013-07-16 19:43                   ` Steven Rostedt
2013-07-16 19:43                     ` Steven Rostedt
2013-07-16 20:10                     ` Willy Tarreau
2013-07-16 20:10                       ` Willy Tarreau
2013-07-17  2:58                       ` Ben Hutchings
2013-07-17  2:58                         ` Ben Hutchings
2013-07-17  9:43                       ` Li Zefan
2013-07-17  9:43                         ` Li Zefan
2013-07-16 18:48               ` Willy Tarreau
2013-07-16 18:48                 ` Willy Tarreau
2013-07-19 10:13               ` Ingo Molnar
2013-07-19 10:13                 ` Ingo Molnar
2013-07-16 18:39         ` Willy Tarreau
2013-07-16 18:40       ` H. Peter Anvin
2013-07-16 20:29         ` David Lang
2013-07-12 17:11   ` H. Peter Anvin
2013-07-12 17:20 ` [ 00/19] 3.10.1-stable review Shuah Khan
2013-07-12 17:29   ` Greg Kroah-Hartman
2013-07-13  4:14 ` Satoru Takeuchi
2013-07-14 23:06 ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt

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