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From: NeilBrown <neilb@suse.de>
To: Ben Greear <greearb@candelatech.com>
Cc: Dean <seattleplus@gmail.com>,
	"J.Bruce Fields" <bfields@citi.umich.edu>,
	Olga Kornievskaia <aglo@citi.umich.edu>,
	NFS <linux-nfs@vger.kernel.org>
Subject: Re: Is tcp autotuning really what NFS wants?
Date: Mon, 15 Jul 2013 14:35:27 +1000	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20130715143527.4eca7283@notabene.brown> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <51DD9C5A.3000505@candelatech.com>

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On Wed, 10 Jul 2013 10:39:38 -0700 Ben Greear <greearb@candelatech.com> wrote:

> On 07/10/2013 10:33 AM, Dean wrote:
> >  > This could significantly limit the amount of parallelism that can be achieved for a single TCP connection (and given that the
> >  > Linux client strongly prefers a single connection now, this could become more of an issue).
> >
> > I understand the simplicity in using a single tcp connection, but performance-wise it is definitely not the way to go on WAN links. When even a miniscule amount
> > of packet loss is added to the link (<0.001% packet loss), the tcp buffer collapses and performance drops significantly (especially on 10GigE WAN links).  I
> > think new TCP algorithms could help the problem somewhat, but nothing available today makes much of a difference vs. cubic.
> >
> > Using multiple tcp connections allows better saturation of the link, since when packet loss occurs on a stream, the other streams can fill the void.  Today, the
> > only solution is to scale up the number of physical clients, which has high coordination overhead, or use a wan accelerator such as Bitspeed or Riverbed (which
> > comes with its own issues such as extra hardware, cost, etc).
> 
> I have a set of patches that allows one to do multiple unique mounts to the same server from a single
> client, but the patches are for the client side, so it would not help
> non-Linux clients.  And, the patches were rejected for upstream as not being
> useful.  But, if you are interested in such, please let me know and I can point
> you to them...

Yes please!

NeilBrown

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  reply	other threads:[~2013-07-15  4:35 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 27+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
     [not found] <20130710092255.0240a36d@notabene.brown>
2013-07-10  2:27 ` Is tcp autotuning really what NFS wants? J.Bruce Fields
2013-07-10  4:32   ` NeilBrown
2013-07-10 19:07     ` J.Bruce Fields
2013-07-15  4:32       ` NeilBrown
2013-07-16  1:58         ` J.Bruce Fields
2013-07-16  4:00           ` NeilBrown
2013-07-16 14:24             ` J.Bruce Fields
2013-07-18  0:03               ` Ben Myers
2013-07-24 21:07                 ` J.Bruce Fields
2013-07-25  1:30                   ` [PATCH] NFSD/sunrpc: avoid deadlock on TCP connection due to memory pressure NeilBrown
2013-07-25 12:35                     ` Jim Rees
2013-07-25 20:18                     ` J.Bruce Fields
2013-07-25 20:33                       ` NeilBrown
2013-07-26 14:19                         ` J.Bruce Fields
2013-07-30  2:48                           ` NeilBrown
2013-08-01  2:49                             ` J.Bruce Fields
2013-07-10 17:33   ` Is tcp autotuning really what NFS wants? Dean
2013-07-10 17:39     ` Ben Greear
2013-07-15  4:35       ` NeilBrown [this message]
2013-07-15 23:32         ` Ben Greear
2013-07-16  4:46           ` NeilBrown
2013-07-10 19:59     ` Michael Richardson
2013-07-15  1:26   ` Jim Rees
2013-07-15  5:02     ` NeilBrown
2013-07-15 11:57       ` Jim Rees
2013-07-15 13:42   ` Jim Rees
2013-07-16  1:10     ` NeilBrown

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